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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 28, 2015 at 1:56 am
(April 28, 2015 at 12:38 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(April 26, 2015 at 12:07 am)Surgenator Wrote: You're taking an untested hypothesis to show us numerology!
Nice try but doesn’t fly. 10 existing dimensions and an eleventh (time dimension) since God brought the universe into existence. How? By His will.
ref: universetoday.com 10 dimensions
Sure. String theory is in the hypothesis stage. So you cannot claim there are 10 dimensions. You can only state it is possible our universe has 10 dimensions. It is also possible that we live in 16 or just 4 dimensions.
In your hypothetical world, you forgot to include another space dimension. Or did your god didn't exist anywhere but somehow aged.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 28, 2015 at 2:54 am (This post was last modified: April 28, 2015 at 2:58 am by Alex K.)
Suerstring theory: 9+1 dimensions
M theory: 10+1 dimensions
(April 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm)Over the Hill Wrote:
(April 27, 2015 at 6:19 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Wow.... it took me a few months to figure out who were the mods and whatnot...
Not the wrong site, just too much text after too many pages on the subject. All that has been written, perhaps not quite like that, but... it has.
But please do make yourself known with an intro thread... right this way, sir: http://atheistforums.org/forum-11.html
I actually did go through the 246 pages of this thread prior to my own. No, what I said was unique and not at all represented in any of the posts. (I am a speed scanner BTW, very handy in my prior line of work.) Too long? I put forth what I believe to be a pretty good explanation of everything without presuming anything prior except reasonable metaphysical criteria of what it means to exist. I failed to account for the existence of the universe in 25 words or less? Too bad. I organized it as well as I know how and broke it into brief paragraphs with lots of white space for easier digestion. Want clarification? Sure. Disagree with it? Fine, let's talk. Ignore it? I can live with that.
So what did I get for my troubles? Basically sarcasm from a mod followed by belittling of my efforts and calls from others to delete the whole thread. I get the message.
Thanks to Alex K for reading (and understanding!) the post and offering pertinent comments. And thanks also to Minimalist for kind words and intelligent conversation on a different thread. But I can see that in general this is not the place for me. There are a few bright lights but for the most part the participants here - on both 'sides' - are driven much more by gut-level emotional urges than actual thought and do not even display much knowledge of the subjects they 'discuss'. My fault. I should have looked deeper before joining.
No need for that introduction post. I can see myself out. Good night.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 28, 2015 at 3:00 am
(April 28, 2015 at 1:56 am)Surgenator Wrote:
(April 28, 2015 at 12:38 am)snowtracks Wrote: Nice try but doesn’t fly. 10 existing dimensions and an eleventh (time dimension) since God brought the universe into existence. How? By His will.
ref: universetoday.com 10 dimensions
Sure. String theory is in the hypothesis stage. So you cannot claim there are 10 dimensions. You can only state it is possible our universe has 10 dimensions. It is also possible that we live in 16 or just 4 dimensions.
In your hypothetical world, you forgot to include another space dimension. Or did your god didn't exist anywhere but somehow aged.
God is non-physical - spirit.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 28, 2015 at 3:19 am
Considering that everything from evolutionary biology to archaeology and generally accepted astrology (not to mention, common sense) debunks religion, all theists have (in any reasonable sense) is the same sort of overactive pattern seeking (I would say irrational in this day and age) conjecture regarding the existence of a higher power that tickled our imagination for thousands of years. Meh, these debates are boring. Holy water is peasant piss
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 28, 2015 at 5:24 am
(April 28, 2015 at 12:48 am)francismjenkins Wrote: Are these tards so stupid that they're not aware of how idiotic these posts are ... or are they just trying to agitate?
It starts off as the first, then becomes the second over time. If you call them on their strange ideas enough times, they try to pretend that they were trolling all along. The interesting thing is that it's not that easy to tell the difference between when they're being sincere and when they're just flinging poo.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
April 28, 2015 at 5:27 am
(April 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm)Over the Hill Wrote:
(April 27, 2015 at 6:19 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Wow.... it took me a few months to figure out who were the mods and whatnot...
Not the wrong site, just too much text after too many pages on the subject. All that has been written, perhaps not quite like that, but... it has.
But please do make yourself known with an intro thread... right this way, sir: http://atheistforums.org/forum-11.html
I actually did go through the 246 pages of this thread prior to my own. No, what I said was unique and not at all represented in any of the posts. (I am a speed scanner BTW, very handy in my prior line of work.)
Well, I just used the search function and came up with 46 posts mentioning multiverse on this thread alone, prior to your own. (to be fair, the last mention, before your own, was back in December... back when people were already wishing for this thread to die)
Not to mention the myriad results that would result from a forum-wide search.
What you said was not unique... and "speed scanning" doesn't work. I tried it for a while and all I got was a jumble of no-detailed info with no connecting tissue between the parts.
(April 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm)Over the Hill Wrote: Too long? I put forth what I believe to be a pretty good explanation of everything without presuming anything prior except reasonable metaphysical criteria of what it means to exist. I failed to account for the existence of the universe in 25 words or less? Too bad. I organized it as well as I know how and broke it into brief paragraphs with lots of white space for easier digestion. Want clarification? Sure. Disagree with it? Fine, let's talk. Ignore it? I can live with that.
So what did I get for my troubles? Basically sarcasm from a mod followed by belittling of my efforts and calls from others to delete the whole thread. I get the message.
I was going for some humor... but it seems people like to default to thinking the worst of others.
Insecurity much?
And I was acting as a normal user. I wasn't moderating your post, was I?
First and foremost, I am a normal user. I come here to read and write about this wonderful world of godlessness.
My overall casual behavior has been merited with modhood... so I can now act on rule-breaches and fix details of other people's posts that are blatantly wrong (like bad quoting - exacerbated by the recent upgrade of the forum to the WYSIWYG editor)... and that's it. Anything else, it's me as a normal user being myself. Occasionally having some fun, but most of the time trying to instruct some poor theist soul.
This time, I was having fun of your patent insecurity.
Multiverse has been done to death and found to be simply speculative, so why take it seriously?
(April 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm)Over the Hill Wrote: Thanks to Alex K for reading (and understanding!) the post and offering pertinent comments.
He's new
He's also a german quantum (or rocket) physicist. He's one of the few people around here that would understand the subtleties of quantum symmetries and the like...
Also, you didn't address the symmetry breaking that appears in the literature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous...y_breaking
(April 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm)Over the Hill Wrote: And thanks also to Minimalist for kind words and intelligent conversation on a different thread. But I can see that in general this is not the place for me. There are a few bright lights but for the most part the participants here - on both 'sides' - are driven much more by gut-level emotional urges than actual thought and do not even display much knowledge of the subjects they 'discuss'. My fault. I should have looked deeper before joining.
No need for that introduction post. I can see myself out. Good night.