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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 5:35 am
(October 14, 2013 at 2:45 am)Hey313313 Wrote: One thing i can say is that this world is full of sinners, of whom i am the worst.
So you're admitting to being, literally, the worst person on the planet? That's a bold claim, even for a Bible-thumper.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 6:03 am
Quote:To me if God does not exist then this life is nothing
But if this life is nothing are u contemplating suicide. What essentially you are saying is that you are one of those fragile Christians who would rather die than live up to the realization that your God does not exist.
Quote:fade into nothingness would sooner or later be forgotten .
I have no problems fading into nothingness. It’s what everyone has done since the dawn of time. You need to remember when you cease to exist you don’t know that you’re dead lol.
Quote:will be in paradise, enjoying the riches of God's kingdom for eternity
Actually the bible does not say you will go to Paradise. Jesus mentioned that Explicitly to the thieves on the cross.
What it says in Revelation is what you have to look forward too. That is that you will worship / sing and pray to God for ever and ever.
However although this might be your ideal can I then ask why is it that you think it’s fair for God to put you through this world when your mind is so made up about the next?
Quote:being right, and will soon fade like other countless generations.
Unfortunately I am seeing that your little story here looks a lot like Pascal’s Wager. Please prove me otherwise.
Quote:fiery lake of burning sulfur for not accepting the love and forgiveness of his Father in Heaven
Did you know what you have Just said smacks God in the face of everything. You cannot possibly say that he is a Father and Loving when he would consign me to a fiery lake of burning sulphur. What father do you know lets their son die so that he can forgive those people that hate him.
And also if God is truly a ‘Father’ then what father would consign his children to burn as a punishment. God should definitely win father of the Year.
Son 1 – Adam Rebelled
Son 2 – Had to be murdered by him
Quote:It's also hard to explain that if God really loves us, then why would He let such great physical and mental disasters rip through His creation
See with regards to what you are saying about the Church I believe this is a problem for most atheist and even Christians so I think that God would allow my lack of belief on the basis that for me to believe I need to have something firm to base it upon.
Quote:He's omniscient, knows the future and the past and is beyond our comprehension
God does not know the future or the past. Common guy seriously if he did you are honestly saying that God is responsible for the people who don’t believe in him as he knows each person so he would know what little it would take to make each person believe.
Quote:this world is full of sinners, of whom i am the worst
So why do you think that God will forgive you don’t you know that when you have seen the light and continued in your sinful way there is no sacrifice left for you. Or do you omit that verse in Romans lol? Are you a paedophile or something?
Quote:and my life has been saved many times from death
With regards to your life being saved many times from death. What are we talking about here – Something that medical science cannot cure?
Quote:God never said that it would be easy
Why would God let his children who love him endure pain so just when they die they can thank him for it.
Quote:believe there's a 1 in 10^70. To me that chance is worth taking, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I refuse to believe that this is it.
And back we are to Pascals wager. Ok so I want to believe in God help me work out which one is the most credible?
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 6:26 am
Esquilax,
Much the same points methinks but you put more effort in.
Kudos and all that.
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 8:30 am
(October 13, 2013 at 8:21 pm)Dunno Wrote: (October 13, 2013 at 7:20 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: One thing we can agree on, however is that Zazzy's definition is something that religious people don't use. It's a fictional definition,
It's not a fictional definition, it's the second in the dictionary, however it strangely disagrees with mine, which was the first: the definition of faith as having trust or belief in a person, idea, or thing. I need that kind of faith. also, that kind of faith just springs up on me. I have faith that my chair won't fall over, then it starts to tip too far backward. Oops. Well, it's not fictional since it's in the dictionary, but just as atheists don't like it when people throw bad dictionary definitions of atheists in their faces, I can accept it if Vinny doesn't like this definition of his faith. He gets to define his faith as I get to define my atheism.
Vinny, this would be a good time to meet me halfway and agree that doing this to each other is counterproductive.
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 11:49 am
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2013 at 11:51 am by Minimalist.)
(October 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm)Dunno Wrote: (October 13, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That's not "faith." That's experience. Hopefully, after doing it once or twice you catch on?
Well, I have trust and belief that my chair is a good chair, so I have faith in it, and I believe that it won't tip over, which I believe for no good reason without evidence, so I have faith that it won't tip over. However I can say that it has never tipped over, although once it came very close and I had to stop leaning backward very quickly.
Ah wordplay, will you ever stop amusing me?
I think it tipped over and you hit your head. Hard.
Quote:To me if God does not exist then this life is nothing.
"Fairy tales, can come true......it can happen to you........."
That's fine. You go on believing whatever the hell you like. The rest of us will get on with the only life we get.
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 12:02 pm
(October 14, 2013 at 3:59 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Thats not faith in so far as how the bible defines it, that is better defined as trust. The bible defines fatih as being assured in what you cannot know. You can know your chair won't break or fall by looking at it.
That's how the dictionary defines faith. The bible doesn't know what faith is because the bible was written in hebrew, and then in aramaic. You're using the word wrong if you think the bible defines it, the bible stole the word of witch.
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Quote:To me if God does not exist then this life is nothing.
That is too bad you think so lowly of yourself.
When you go to a movie, you go knowing it will end. But that does not stop you from going. When you go to a music concert, you go knowing it will end, but that does not stop you from going. When you go to a sporting event, you know that someone will lose, and maybe even your team, but you still go knowing it will end.
See, I don't have your bully narcissist of a god character holding my life hostage. I find good in life without assigning it to magic. I love my mother. I also love my cat. I find beauty in sunsets and clear night skies. But I also face reality including the not so nice stuff, but I do so without superstition or fear.
I'd recommend you keep your god belief it that is what it takes for you not to pop yourself. But don't sell your koolaid to us and pretend we need it.
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm
(October 14, 2013 at 2:45 am)Hey313313 Wrote: To me if God does not exist then this life is nothing.
I'm not raining on your parade. You're raining on mine. This gives me license to rain back.
If you want to live your life thinking you'll go to paradise at the end I don't care. I don't. But if you want to tell me I'll go to hell, then I take issue with that. Why would your all loving god send someone who lived a good and virtuous life to hell, just because they didn't believe in him? That's not all good and loving. Are you saying that a buddhist would go to hell, because they didn't believe? Are you saying that the huge number of people who believe something else, that outnumber the Christians will go to hell? To me that is you, being a sinner, and saying that other people with different beliefs are less than you, and will be banished to eternal hellfire.
Hell isn't Christian. It's Pagan. Christianity is a sequel to Judaism. There is no hell in Judaism. When the Jewish beliefs combined with the Pagan, heaven and hell were formed.
I can't tell you how to live your life. Give me the same courtesy and don't tell me how to live mine.
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2013 at 12:45 pm by Hey313313.)
Dunno, I don't know where you'll go, I don't know where anyone (including myself) will go. I can have faith, and maybe one day we will all wake up in paradise. Because verily I tell you, it seems as if hell is on earth sometimes.
Brian37 would you go to the same football knowing that at the end of it you would be nothing? Or would you rather go to a lacrosse game (maybe a sport you don't like) and wake up in paradise? Even if the lacrosse game was across the earth, there was a bounty on your head, and you would probably never make it? Would you at least attempt to go to the lacrosse game? Even if every other human on this planet went to the football game and told you that you had no hope? Wouldn't you search for hope, even if it scientifically or probably couldn't be found?
Also, you heard of the lacrosse game by word of mouth, so it may not be there.
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RE: Why You Should Be Atheist
October 14, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Hard to take anyone seriously who uses 'verily'.
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