Islam And Internal Peace

[binny]

should you grovel, beg, and excessively praise your parents?

Only when you want to borrow money

[Wael El-Manzalawy]

If he exists... then I don't see anything wrong with thanking him for it. I do see things wrong with groveling, begging, and excessively laying down praise before him... should you grovel, beg, and excessively praise your parents?

Hi Saerules,
I think that you say what is in your heart. That is very good, but the God is not like your father and mother. Depend on your heart. Ask the God deeply from your heart to guide you. And I am sure that the God will guide you to Islam,
I wish you good luck Saerules.

[AngelaRachnid]

The God has created you. He gave you many things: brain, eyes, ears, arms, heart, stomach........etc. Should you thank the God or not?

Why did he make the holes of my (and everyone elses) sinual cavities at the top near the eyes (the ones that are giving me real greif now) and causes big problems when they have to be drained, but if i run around on all fours ( like we used to before we stood up) the problem is gone, why did he give me such a badly designed back, a stomach which is prone to flatulence, for someone who is supposed to be merciful why do I burn in the sun (and no comments about clothing please, as you say he made us so he knows what the hell we look like), if god is so great why flawed human design? if we are all made in his image then is he a gynandromorph which is why we have males and females? if he is then that explains why some men like men and some women like women....... the list goes on.

If the creator god worked for me and came up with such an appalling design with so many flaws i would sack her.

Can I go to the pub now?

A

[theVOID]

And I can do normal sized. You seem to be preaching, Wael El-Manzalawy... and preaching is heavily frowned upon by those looking for discussion (such as the vast majority of the people on this forum). Would you be willing to discuss these statements you have raised?

I am ready for discussion Saerules.

Ok - answer this:

Why should we accept the claims of the Qur'an as anything more than myth?

I used to discuss many secular persons. I used to ask them three questions:

1- Do you think that there is a Creator who has created the universe?
The discussions may take a very long time. But if we came to an agreement that there is a Creator who has created the universe, then we can move to the second question:

2- Should we worship the Creator of the universe or not?
If we came to an agreement that we should worship the Creator of the universe, then we can move to the third question:

3- Have you made a comparison between Islam and other doctrines?

Ok lets start at number 1

No, i don't believe there is a creator. Religion is the attempt of a primitive society to explain existence and give it meaning. Religion came from uneducated, superstitious, illiterate societies, tales passed down through the ages often for many generations before being recorded. The accounts are contradictory and often illogical, under modern examination they are some times very immoral (Muhammad marrying the 8 year old girl) and offer no explanatory power in the modern world.

We as a species found a better, reliable, testable, repeatable way of looking at the universe, but it became not in the form of religion, it was a method of deduction that allowed us with far more accuracy than ever before to probe the universe and find the real truths of what was happening. Science has done more for our species than any other single idea. Ancient religious societies used to believe that all sickness was the result of demons, through the scientific method we discovered the germ theory of disease, people now get real cures. Science can give us the most profound and meaningful implications, it often forces us to rethink our very existence and the universe we live in. The cosmological account of the bing bang through to abiogenisis and evolutionary biology alone is far more profound in my opinion that any religious teachings, it is probing a world of truth beyond the imagination of the primitive middle-eastern tribes of the first few centuries AD, and this is before you get to the Quantum world, it is such a bizarre part of our existence that defies our common intuition, it makes us completely rethink the foundations of the universe in ways never before.

Don't you think it's funny, that after everything science has given us in the last few hundred years, religion has done comparatively fuck all for our species as a whole? It's so called truths consistently fail to deliver, it cannot offer a shred of evidence to support it's beliefs and is growing more and more irrelevant in the future of human society.

[Rhizomorph13]

Oh noes! Saerules has converted to Islam! LOL

Like it would be that easy!

By the way it was the Invisible Pink Unicorn (BBHH) that created everything! This Allah punk is just trying to steal Her glory! She hates to be worshipped though so you can give all that up!

Turn or be skewered by her invisibleness,
Rhizo

[Violet]

should you grovel, beg, and excessively praise your parents?

Only when you want to borrow money

I'm too proud...

Hi Saerules,
I think that you say what is in your heart. That is very good, but the God is not like your father and mother. Depend on your heart. Ask the God deeply from your heart to guide you. And I am sure that the God will guide you to Islam,
I wish you good luck Saerules.

I try to sail my own ship, with a little help from my friends (Interesting that said Beatles song just came onto my iTunes)

A pity that I must sail through the hurricane to reach my destination...

Oh noes! Saerules has converted to Islam! LOL

Hehe, not today Mr. Rhizo

[chatpilot]

1- Do you think that there is a Creator who has created the universe?
2- Should we worship the Creator of the universe or not?
3- Have you made a comparison between Islam and other doctrines?

To your first question my answer is a resounding No!
To your second question once again a resounding No!
To your third question Islam is nothing more than plagiarized Christianity as Christianity is nothing more than plagiarized Judaism. All three so called religions of the book have been cut from the same cloth.

fr0d0 said:3." Yup. Islam is contradictory "

The same is true about Christianity your statement my friend is a perfect example of Christian hypocrisy and intolerance thanks for the demonstration my friend.

[fr0d0]

No Chatty, Islam really is demonstrably contradictory, unlike Christianity. You don't understand that because your depth of study of the subject is entirely superficial and ridiculously focused on your own little crusade of religious lineage, that provides ZERO evidence to draw intelligent conclusion from.

[chatpilot]

Islam really is demonstrably contradictory, unlike Christianity.

Really? I suggest you kick your faith to the curb and read your bible again without the guidance of your imaginary guy in the sky. Then and only then can you see your holy book for what it is: an anthology of myths and ancient traditions in story form.

[fr0d0]

Sure I can see how if you read it like an idiot you can come to those conclusions. You intentionally miss is the point. The historicity is secondary to coherence of the message. You never deal with this so I can only assume you concur.