Scientific experiments can be demonstrated. Can God?
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A Miracle!!
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Only if you assume we arn't hallucinating when seeing the experiements.
I think Gods existance is demonstrated through personal experience. I pray and answer, healings, that when you put faith in God it works out, etc. My experience wont convince you but that is why its a personal relationship.
Mark Taylor: "Religious conflict will be less a matter of struggles between belief and unbelief than of clashes between believers who make room for doubt and those who do not."
Einstein: “The most unintelligible thing about nature is that it is intelligible” 
Personal experience in and of itself can't be trusted in matters of science, more scrutiny is required than that. Why is God allowed such low standards of evidence?
God is an extraordinary claim and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You're going to have to do better than personal experience IMO. EvF  (October 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm)solarwave Wrote: What is science? Isn't it just an idea in the mind of men in white lab coats? How would people like you or me know if they were lying about the details? The effect may be the same, but the way it comes about may be a lie or they may be hallucinating and got lucky that everything that does work works.No, it's not just an idea in the mind of men in white coats. Science is repeatable and testable. If someone thinks that scientist X has lied or screwed up, you can repeat their test and see if you get the same results. This is how science advances. Sure, it may just be all luck or some external "being" making up the results as he goes along, but since there is no evidence of such a being, we are left with the conclusion that this is how nature operates. Even if the being did exist, and controlled everything, our results still show the same thing, and "nature" would simply be whatever the being chose, even though it has been consistent so far. (October 31, 2009 at 4:49 pm)solarwave Wrote: Only if you assume we arn't hallucinating when seeing the experiements.If we were all hallucinating the results, then all science reveals is the nature of our hallucinations. I fail to see the difference between that and showing us the nature of...well...nature, given that we have nothing to compare it to?  RE: A Miracle!!
November 1, 2009 at 11:41 am
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2009 at 11:45 am by AngelaRachnid.)
(October 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm)solarwave Wrote: AngelaRachnid: I don't know lo AHH so she could have been preyed for when 6?7? when first diagnosed and many years later passes an exam, hardly a miracle sorry. A (October 31, 2009 at 4:49 pm)solarwave Wrote: healings, that when you put faith in God it works out, Have a look at the story of Marjoe on the net, a child faith healer who later packed it in then explained how it was done. There are many stories of faith healing, unfortunately idiots who believe the rubbish spouted from these con men who throw away their meds and end up in either the hospital or cemetery. A
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EvidenceVsFaith: Im not asking for personal experience to be used as science though. Theres more to life than since and somethings are outside the realm of science.
Tiberius: Good point. By the way I wasnt actually try to disprove science, it was just random tangent I went off on, lol. AngelaRachnid: No she wasn't that young. I have a rough idea of her age from what she said, just not down to the exact age. She was about 15 give or take a year maybe.
Mark Taylor: "Religious conflict will be less a matter of struggles between belief and unbelief than of clashes between believers who make room for doubt and those who do not."
Einstein: “The most unintelligible thing about nature is that it is intelligible”  (November 2, 2009 at 1:42 pm)solarwave Wrote: EvidenceVsFaith: Im not asking for personal experience to be used as science though. Theres more to life than since and somethings are outside the realm of science. Everything that exists is in the realm of science. If it exists it can be tested in some way eve if we dont know how at the moment. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
Interesting idea downbeatplumb...
How do you know everything that exists is in the realm of science? What if there were things existing outside of our universe, obeying completely different laws, undetectable by us?  (November 2, 2009 at 1:42 pm)solarwave Wrote: somethings are outside the realm of science. How do you know that somethings are outside the realm of science? It sounds quite reasonable to make this statement, but when you sit down and think about it, surely it's simply an assumption isn't it? If something is outside the realm of science it must also be outside the realm of the Universe and therefore cannot make any meaningful sense and so cannot be. Q.E.D. ![[Image: cinjin_banner_border.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=oggtheclever.com%2Fcinjin_banner_border.jpg)  RE: A Miracle!!
November 4, 2009 at 12:53 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2009 at 12:54 pm by Violet.)
It perhaps can be... it just is not here (in this universe)
 But why should that be outside the realm of science? It operates under different laws... but surely it operates under laws? Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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