Sinful Believers Wearing Their Sins

[max-greece]

"Odd that shoving corn dogs in one end and displaying it openly is perfectly fine, but shoving penises in the other and displaying it openly is a sin."

Actually I think its also a sin if you use the corn dog hole for the penis, and its probably a sin to put the corn dog in the other hole come to that.

[Zazzy]

No, being fat, in and of itself, is not a 'sin'. It's how you got that way that MAY be a sin. For example; if you're fat because of a genetic reason, then no, it's not a sin. But if you are fat from a lack of self control, then yes, it is a sin. If you make food (or any earthly thing) more important than god, then (whatever) it is becomes a sin. Going to church too much could become a sin if it began to take precedence over worship of god.

OK, so a "sin" is anything that's more important than god? How many believers would trade their bibles for water in the desert? I'm guessing most of them.

So it's not just worshipping something else that's sinful. It's having it be of great personal importance to you, to the extent that you might be thinking about the chocolate mousse instead of about god? It must be very exhausting to worry about this all the time.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

No, being fat, in and of itself, is not a 'sin'. It's how you got that way that MAY be a sin. For example; if you're fat because of a genetic reason, then no, it's not a sin. But if you are fat from a lack of self control, then yes, it is a sin. If you make food (or any earthly thing) more important than god, then (whatever) it is becomes a sin. Going to church too much could become a sin if it began to take precedence over worship of god.

OK, so a "sin" is anything that's more important than god? How many believers would trade their bibles for water in the desert? I'm guessing most of them.

So it's not just worshipping something else that's sinful. It's having it be of great personal importance to you, to the extent that you might be thinking about the chocolate mousse instead of about god? It must be very exhausting to worry about this all the time.

Nah, all about the interpretation. For your example, they just tell themselves that they're spreading the word of god even when they're dying of thirst.

Why would a bible be a equal in value to a bottle of water?

[freedomfromforum]

Why would a bible be a equal in value to a bottle of water?

If I had to wipe my ass a bible would be of greater value than a bottle of water.

[Doubting Thomas]

Actually I think its also a sin if you use the corn dog hole for the penis, and its probably a sin to put the corn dog in the other hole come to that.

Well, they do call it a corn hole.

[Fruity]

Is being fat a sin or not?

No, being fat, in and of itself, is not a 'sin'. It's how you got that way that MAY be a sin. For example; if you're fat because of a genetic reason, then no, it's not a sin. But if you are fat from a lack of self control, then yes, it is a sin. If you make food (or any earthly thing) more important than god, then (whatever) it is becomes a sin. Going to church too much could become a sin if it began to take precedence over worship of god.

Hey fff. Thought I would respond now that I am well rested You said I answered very passionately. Not really. The thing about the internet is that it doesn't interpret your tone. I meant it to be in a teasing way, not angry. I was being me.

I understood your point. My point was that gluttony does not only apply to Christians and that Christians commit many more "sins" than just gluttony. I know you were just picking one. Living in the USA we all know that gluttony is a HUGE problem here. All you need to do is see the advertisements for our major restaurant chains and see the portions. It's shameful. I agree with this. I agree that the majority of obese people are this way due to unhealthy eating habits, but I had to throw it out there that some are not. My mother has a thyroid disorder, that added with a certain medication that she has to take for something unrelated to that makes her gain weight even though she doesn't eat disproportionately. She's an exception. Exceptions are out there.

When I was a Christian I witnessed many more "sins" by the very leaders: rape, greed, dishonesty, adultery, lust, hate, and envy, to name a few.

So, what's up?

[GodsRevolt]

All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity.

Religious folks are always quick to concede that their religion does not necessarily make believers better person.

So here's a question, what's the point believing? What's the point of claiming nonbelievers need your religion if your religion doesn't make us better persons? What's the point of being superior on paper when in actuality your chances of being an asshole is just the same as ours?

Great question.

Now, because we are in an atheist forum, I need to make sure we are starting from the same basis. I don't want to say why we need Christianity to be a better person and then end up disagreeing on what a better person is.

So I would ask you, what is your standard for a "good person"?

[Lemonvariable72]

All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity.

Actually that supports that it was made to manipulate people by making up sins that are things that people can't help (sexuality) and then make them feel guilty. Besides your god sins too.

[GodsRevolt]

All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity

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No. We as humans need to understand that shit happens, and hope that religion falls through the cracks of history as evolution continues proving it wrong. If by "All have sinned" you therefore mean that all need a savior (i.e. Christianity), Then know that I reject that. What is sin, and how do you know that I've done it?

Here it comes.....

"The bible says......" yadda yadda yadda. The bible is not proof of your claims, it merely supports your delusions.

Ok, no Bible quotes. But if there is an idea in the Bible that also agrees with an idea that we can both agree on, can I use that?

For example- loving your neighbor as yourself. Treating others the way you would want to be treated. Do you agree with that idea as being a good idea and worthy of trying to follow?

[bladevalant546]

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