Innocent people don't end up dead in your scenario. That's the difference.
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| Poll: What do you think of this story in the Book of Job? This poll is closed. |
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| It's a completely literal story that should inspire Christians to do right. | 2 | 6.67% | |
| Yahweh is way to concerned about how much people love him. | 5 | 16.67% | |
| It's completely the Devil's fault. | 1 | 3.33% | |
| God works in mysterious ways. | 1 | 3.33% | |
| Both god and the devil are a couple of wicked wicked horrible, self-absorbed characters in a fictional story. | 19 | 63.33% | |
| I'm proud to be a sheep. This is a great story. | 2 | 6.67% | |
| Total | 30 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
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 (November 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:(November 4, 2013 at 4:40 pm)ronedee Wrote: And all you have to do is take off those big, ugly dark glasses! Uh.... what are you wearing in your avatar? 
Quis ut Deus?
  (November 5, 2013 at 2:31 pm)John V Wrote:(November 5, 2013 at 11:59 am)Dionysius Wrote: If the executioners reason for existing is to execute people and the supreme lawgiver removes the protective laws which protect said person from the executioner who is responsible for the execution?You haven't shown that Satan's reason for existing is to execute people. There were plenty of other people in job's time who apparently didn't have a protective hedge about them. Perhaps you should read up on the satan myth a little more comprehensively? I thought it was common knowledge among Christians that the entity exists, to rob, kill and destroy? (Jhn 10:10) (November 5, 2013 at 2:31 pm)John V Wrote:Quote:Maybe a different analogy.Yes, lets. I liquidate my investments, put the cash in my living room, and put a big sign up outside that says "Lots of cash inside and doors are unlocked," because I want to prove that people are good and won't steal the money. The guy who comes in and takes it is still guilty of stealing, despite my practical invitation to do so. I would expect better from someone with a 145 I.Q. Nevertheless let's go with your analogy making a few necessary amendments to more accurately reflect the text. 1) All investments are liquidated and placed in the house. 2) The owner of the house (God) and the local thug (satan) discuss the tenant (Job) which the owner of the house brings up to the local thug. 3) The owner of the house and the thug come to an arrangment and decides to shut off the security system so the thug can pillage, loot and plunder the house (this was all pre-arranged.) 4) The owner of the house and the thug are complicit in insurance fraud.
"This time the bullet cold rocked ya a yellow ribbon instead of a swastika?" -RATM
 (November 5, 2013 at 5:29 pm)Dionysius Wrote: Perhaps you should read up on the satan myth a little more comprehensively? I thought it was common knowledge among Christians that the entity exists, to rob, kill and destroy? (Jhn 10:10)Read Ezekiel 28. Satan was not created for the purpose of tormenting humans. Ezekiel 28 14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. 15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you. Quote:1) All investments are liquidated and placed in the house.Cool, you note that god is the rightful owner, and Satan is the thug. You're progressing. 
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(November 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm)John V Wrote: Cool, you note that god is the rightful owner, and Satan is the thug. You're progressing. Hoping that you can progress as well.
"This time the bullet cold rocked ya a yellow ribbon instead of a swastika?" -RATM
If you want to fault god for his role, you should stick to that. When you go further and try to minimize Satan's role, you're demonstrably wrong. It was Satan's idea, and Satan carried it out. The text is clear on this.
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 6, 2013 at 11:04 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2013 at 11:12 am by Dionysius.)
(November 6, 2013 at 9:27 am)John V Wrote: If you want to fault god for his role, you should stick to that. When you go further and try to minimize Satan's role, you're demonstrably wrong. It was Satan's idea, and Satan carried it out. The text is clear on this. This ^^ is an example of the intellectual dishonesty which is the hallmark of religion especially Christianity. When the facts don't fit the view change the facts. Edited to add: And with a 145 I.Q. even...
"This time the bullet cold rocked ya a yellow ribbon instead of a swastika?" -RATM
 (November 5, 2013 at 4:34 pm)ronedee Wrote:(November 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I did back when I became an atheist. Are you referring to the prescription eyeglasses I always wear which happen to have lenses that darken in sunlight because my eyes are also sensitive to light?
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
 (November 6, 2013 at 11:04 am)Dionysius Wrote: Edited to add: And with a 145 I.Q. even... Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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