All the problems with Christianity

[MindForgedManacle]

@ronedee You didn't respond to anything I said, but I noticed something at the end of your post (jeez, that's long). In regards to your point about us not knowing your experiences: Unless your experience includes actually seeing God himself, as a former 'born-again' Christian, I think I've a rather good idea of your experience of the Divine. But what is really important is a bit long, so I'll refer you to my thrwad in the philosophy section titled "Argument Against Religious Experience as Validation". There's nothing about apparent experience of the divine itself that tells you the source of that experience. Otherwise, you'd have to agree that Muslims, Wiccans, various Hindu and other theists know their gods exist. Unless you'll arrogantly and unjustifiably claim that only you and other Christians prima facie know the true origins of apparently divine experiences? I'd prefer you respond to that thread though, as it's more in-depth than I feel like getting into here where I can be misunderstood again.

[The Reality Salesman01]

There's no evidence to support relativity? Einstein practiced string theory? 3 dimensions? Would I call Einstein's tested theory of relativity wrong since it's not a definitive fact? I just don't know how to answer you. There are so many inaccuracies in your post that it's impossible to address them all. There is no scientific theory that is not revised in the light of new evidence. Your hypothesis on God has no supporting evidence, it's not even a theory. I am dumbfounded that you just attempted to compare relativity to God as competing hypotheses. You use words you clearly don't understand like "epistemology", and "evidence". You question relativity while using the internet that is supporting evidence of it's truth. Do you understand how satellites work? Do you understand what the letters in E=mc2 equate to? You don't seem to have a single clue what you're talking about, but that doesn't stop you from pretending to. Nothing I say to you could possibly be more constructive than the information you could gain by occasionally watching The Science Channel. But, I don't think you care to learn anything new. You think you have truth, and so you stop looking. You throw out words that you think make sense, and you speak of correlation as though it ceases to have meaning even when you think you know exactly what causes that which it correlates with. You were born into Christianity? That's predictably inane. The way you avoided answering the question about whether it was more valuable to be Good or believe was nothing short of expected. You literally ignored the question, and provided an answer that was nothing more than a superficial equivocation that was artificially profound. You conduct yourself with a standard of intellectual dishonesty that plagues every facet of society, and you seem to be content in passing it on to your kids and others. This is exactly the type of behavior that makes "faith" synonymous with a virus. Since you ignore my questions, and honestly, you don't seem to even understand them. I must bow out. There is no reasoning with insanity, and while you may not be insane, you certainly appear to be practicing for the role...

[Bipolar Bob]

Because there's nothing useful in it.

It did inspire great art and other cultural advances.

[The Reality Salesman01]

P.S.

Although I am not optimistic that you will understand the following tip, nobody here thinks they can or have refuted God. It may behoove you to stop suggesting otherwise.

[Lion IRC]

...in one easy-to-find thread!
Hi all, I'm making a list of all the problems people have with Christianity. So please post the ones that are most problematic to you. They can be in the form of questions, insults, logical arguments, or whatever.
I'll try and answer them the best I can.

I just read the whole thread.
It didn't take that long because much of it was reposting foot long tracts just to write a half inch reply.

The one objection to Christianity I didn't find was the one I think is most common among anti-theists. Viz;
I simply don't want any Higher Authority telling me what I can and can't do.
....so I'm gonna 'strain at gnats' and make a huge list of red herrings and justify my dislike of the God Conclusion
by any and all means possible.

It's the classic two rules of atheism a-la Christopher Hitchens and others.
Rule 1. There's no God.
Rule 2. If there is a God, I hate Him.

They hate the idea of a celestial dictator but the universe is full of celestial dictators - gravity, entropy, radiation, death and taxes.

Atheist counter-apologists go berserk trying to rail against intelligent design theory and the Kalam Cosmological Argument and fine-tuning etc. Why? These aren't arguments for ANY particular religious moral stance let alone a Christian worldview. They are virtually completely SECULAR. And yet the atheist can't stand the prospect that there may be a bigger picture with an intentional Higher Cause having control or power beyond the mundane terrestrial existence of the human atheist.

Very telling indeed when an atheist admits that their atheism doesn't preclude the plausibility of extra-terrestrial higher life forms
...BUT JUST DON'T USE THE "G" WORD.

[The Reality Salesman01]

[paulpablo]

...in one easy-to-find thread!
Hi all, I'm making a list of all the problems people have with Christianity. So please post the ones that are most problematic to you. They can be in the form of questions, insults, logical arguments, or whatever.
I'll try and answer them the best I can.

There's nothing about Christianity that makes it different from any other man made cult of the earth apart from its size, which is debatable anyway because of how many fragmented denominations there are.

I have no problems with the bibles teachings though but then I don't really know much about them.

I think a lot of the arguments against Christianity don't really work because so many well established Christian organizations seem to blatantly go against what Christ actually said in the bible, so just because you argue that the crusades were wrong or that the pope said something stupid it doesn't really go against what Christ has said.

[The Reality Salesman01]

The one objection to Christianity I didn't find was the one I think is most common among anti-theists. Viz;
I simply don't want any Higher Authority telling me what I can and can't do.

I wonder why this could be?...Must be that it's too good an objection to just throw around willie-nillie!

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Very telling indeed when an atheist admits that their atheism doesn't preclude the plausibility of extra-terrestrial higher life forms
...BUT JUST DON'T USE THE "G" WORD.

That's not true, I'm also an A-Alienist! I don't know of any aliens, nor do I have any belief in them! I don't dismiss the possibility of A God any more than I do Aliens. But, you don't say it's a possibility of a God, you think you have a personal relationship with a specific one, and go around making claims of objective certainty! That's a horse of a different color!

If an Atheist professes to know a specific race of Aliens, and then begins making claims about their personal relationship with them, believe me, I'll be the first to put them in the hot seat! But, alas, that's not what's going on around here.

Making claims of certainty that are not supported by sufficient evidence makes you a target. Surely you recognize the difference here.

[Bob Kelso]

The one objection to Christianity I didn't find was the one I think is most common among anti-theists. Viz;
I simply don't want any Higher Authority telling me what I can and can't do.

If an anti-theist is making this objection, that's personal opinion. A ridiculous one at that.

....so I'm gonna 'strain at gnats' and make a huge list of red herrings and justify my dislike of the God Conclusion
by any and all means possible.

It's the classic two rules of atheism a-la Christopher Hitchens and others.
Rule 1. There's no God.
Rule 2. If there is a God, I hate Him.

And Christopher Hitchens "and others" speak for all atheists does they? Hmm, in that case I choose Fred Phelps to speak for Christianity. Any objections?

They hate the idea of a celestial dictator but the universe is full of celestial dictators - gravity, entropy, radiation, death and taxes.

Because all those things can be equated to god right?

Atheist counter-apologists go berserk trying to rail against intelligent design theory and the Kalam Cosmological Argument and fine-tuning etc. Why? These aren't arguments for ANY particular religious moral stance let alone a Christian worldview. They are virtually completely SECULAR. And yet the atheist can't stand the prospect that there may be a bigger picture with an intentional Higher Cause having control or power beyond the mundane terrestrial existence of the human atheist.

Do you even believe the shit that flies out of your mouth boyo? An actual question. I'm not even going to address this crock of drivel ridden shit.

Very telling indeed when an atheist admits that their atheism doesn't preclude the plausibility of extra-terrestrial higher life forms
...BUT JUST DON'T USE THE "G" WORD.

I find aliens to be highly unlikely, but far more likely than your god.

[Esquilax]

The one objection to Christianity I didn't find was the one I think is most common among anti-theists. Viz;
I simply don't want any Higher Authority telling me what I can and can't do.
....so I'm gonna 'strain at gnats' and make a huge list of red herrings and justify my dislike of the God Conclusion
by any and all means possible.

Okay, this should be fun: Lion, since you're so sure this is a motivating factor for people, please supply a single atheist, anti-theist, whatever, who has ever seriously used this as a reason for their position. Just one. Oh, and you can't use christian quotations, because you guys are- as you so aptly demonstrate- full of shit. Go to the horse's mouth.

Or you can just admit that you're lying. Failure to supply an actual source will be considered tacit admission!

It's the classic two rules of atheism a-la Christopher Hitchens and others.
Rule 1. There's no God.
Rule 2. If there is a God, I hate Him.

The man is now quoting Eric Hovind. Excuse me while I clean up the vomit.

Atheist counter-apologists go berserk trying to rail against intelligent design theory and the Kalam Cosmological Argument and fine-tuning etc. Why? These aren't arguments for ANY particular religious moral stance let alone a Christian worldview. They are virtually completely SECULAR. And yet the atheist can't stand the prospect that there may be a bigger picture with an intentional Higher Cause having control or power beyond the mundane terrestrial existence of the human atheist.

Please, do tell us where you obtained your telepathy, that allows you to see what we really believe.

Very telling indeed when an atheist admits that their atheism doesn't preclude the plausibility of extra-terrestrial higher life forms
...BUT JUST DON'T USE THE "G" WORD.

Do you even know what atheism is?