Why Islam will fail long term.

[Brian37]

Just like women in the west were once oppressed by Christianity, Islam will fail too in oppressing their women.

[T.J.]

You don't fuck with women, learned that lesson a long time ago.[/joke]

[Brian37]

You don't fuck with women, learned that lesson a long time ago.

It's not a matter of "fucking with women", it is a matter of humanity accepting the ability of the individual and the credibility of the individual.

Ann Coulter deserves to be "fucked with" verbally because she is a huckster. Her sex does not give her taboo status.

It is a human rights issue, and girls like this should not just be heros to girls or women, but to men as well.

[ManMachine]

Just like women in the west were once oppressed by Christianity, Islam will fail too in oppressing their women.

Don't worry the weak, pathetic men among us will use some other bullshit social construct as a device to subjugate women when all religion is finally gone.

Even without religion we are still human and (to use a Star Trek analogy) the world is shaping up to be less like Gene Rodenberry's utopia and more like the inside of William Shatner's space suit.


MM

[Brian37]

Yea but the idea of openess and questioning will make it harder for men, religious or not to do such things.

[Zazzy]

I wonder if shooting little girls in the face for going to school has a bigger immediate effect of scaring others into obedience, or of creating more dissident girls?

You can keep people cowed for a pretty long time if you shoot them when they try to get an education. I just don't know if enough will get educated enough, and have enough support, to change things soon. Malala has some pretty rocking parents- I don't expect many girls in fundamentalist Islamic cultures have parents that open-minded, or that willing to fight.

But on the other hand, there are plenty of progressive Muslims.

[ManMachine]

Yea but the idea of openess and questioning will make it harder for men, religious or not to do such things.

I'd like to think that was true, I really would. I think there has to be some acknowledgement of what we have achieved with our social constructs but my experience is all we succeed in doing is force the perpetrators to be more devious in their behaviour.

I think the idea that 'good will out' is a very important driver for many people on many levels but my experience of reality is that this is wishful thinking.

But then, perhaps I'm just a heavy-hearted being.


MM

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Just like women in the west were once oppressed by Christianity, Islam will fail too in oppressing their women.

I'm not sure that this constitutes a 'failure' of Islam. The end (by and large) of the oppression of Christian women hardly equates to the failure of Christianity.

And Islam has been around for about 1400 years - fairly long term already, innit?

Boru

[Brian37]

I wonder if shooting little girls in the face for going to school has a bigger immediate effect of scaring others into obedience, or of creating more dissident girls?

You can keep people cowed for a pretty long time if you shoot them when they try to get an education. I just don't know if enough will get educated enough, and have enough support, to change things soon. Malala has some pretty rocking parents- I don't expect many girls in fundamentalist Islamic cultures have parents that open-minded, or that willing to fight.

But on the other hand, there are plenty of progressive Muslims.

Not enough. A bigger population of progressive Muslims in the west, but not in the east. Although there are cracks growing in the east.

[Anomalocaris]

I wonder if shooting little girls in the face for going to school has a bigger immediate effect of scaring others into obedience, or of creating more dissident girls?

You can keep people cowed for a pretty long time if you shoot them when they try to get an education. I just don't know if enough will get educated enough, and have enough support, to change things soon. Malala has some pretty rocking parents- I don't expect many girls in fundamentalist Islamic cultures have parents that open-minded, or that willing to fight.

But on the other hand, there are plenty of progressive Muslims.

I think the sort of act like shooting Malala has short term effect of emboldening would be oppressors by opening the eyes of many to the new territory for oppression. But in the long run it hollows out a religion by introducing widespread doubt about the fundamental legitamacy of that religion as a net force for desirable social change.