(November 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm)tokutter Wrote:It depends on what they did.(November 25, 2013 at 11:14 pm)Drich Wrote: It's neutral. Do you have kids? Have you ever used the term "my kids?" Anyone using that term has expressed ownership of another human being. Even so do we consider this to be an evil thing?
Of course not, what makes ownership of another person good or bad is what you do with the life you have control over.
So it's ok to take a rod and beat your kids/slaves as long as they don't die within 2 days????
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Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
Far be it from me to tell you what to do drich, but are you going to answer my post?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  (November 26, 2013 at 7:14 am)Godschild Wrote:(November 26, 2013 at 4:13 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: I think its nice to know how many psychopaths we have on this site. Or at least confirm our suspicions. And ending with a nice indirect threat there GC. Fear tactics may work for you and your bible group but not on us Quoting a threat as a warning is a threat. The only thing to be gotten out of doing so was your personal satisfaction at the thought of the fate awaiting those who don't believe you.  (November 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm)Drich Wrote:(November 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote: I have noticed that if you ask a fundie whether they would prefer to live in a society in which same-sex marriage is legal or a society that allows slavery -- they get mad. You have to give Drippy points for honesty. Stupid but honest.
He's just following his beliefs to their natural conclusion. At least he's consistent.
The problem with elevating the Bible as being “the word of God” is that it was written by human beings, who lived at a time that was essentially the childhood of our species. It was a time of violence, misogyny, and barbarity. This is the 21st Century and I find the very idea of venerating an ancient text that has so very much wrong with it mind-boggling. It's a relic, an anachronism, from a very distant time when we were not really civilized at all.
Why can't they grok this? What is so hard about it? Iron Age nomadic tribesmen have almost nothing in common with modern people. They, through no fault of their own, knew very little even about their own bodies and how they worked. Looked upon as the relic that it is, it makes for a very interesting window into what life must have been like back then. Not as history, but more from a sociological perspective about that particular group of people at that particular time. Researchers have pretty much shown that as a history it leaves much to be desired. I myself think that it's a case of some people just need to have certainty and this sort of religiosity provides it. The fact that it is ancient, to them does not make it an anachronism, but rather makes it the wisdom of the ages. Chaos being the natural order things never bothered me much at all. But some need things to be orderly and certain. I am in no way trying to dump on anyone or what they believe here. I'm just one more person trying to figure out what works for me. Over the years, I've investigated and tried a bunch of things. In American culture the Bible is a big part of it. We're the most religious of the developed nations, and I don't see how this has helped us any. I've read that book, I know what's in it, and it is because of what is in it that I cannot accept it. I do not see how any person could if they have actually read it. It is a rather nasty document. Yahweh was kind of a vicious, jealous, vindictive psychopath as I see it. I guess that is why the more mainstream churches kind of leave it alone. 
“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?”
― Christopher Hitchens "That fear first created the gods is perhaps as true as anything so brief could be on so great a subject". - George Santayana "If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed". - George Carlin
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
Oh well, at least you acknowledged it
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  |
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