Oh, Everything is Okay Now.....

[kılıç_mehmet]

You all cheered when you heard the death of Osama Bin Laden.

I didn't. You know who did? Christians. Lots and lots of em. Fuck religion. Oh and fuck Bush/Cheney. I think their holdings gained through Haliburton should be seized and that they should be tried for intentional misinformation contributing to a war. I don't think we should be over there period end of story unless someones shooting at us, and I also think all of our own nuclear programs should be shut down. Defense should be just that.
The UN needs to do its fucking job, not us.

Oh don't lie. Even if they did, its really nothing to be ashamed of, since he was your enemy. Its only natural to celebrate the death of an enemy, and I bet it wasn't just the Christians that celebrated the news. I'm sure that people celebrated in the very American fashion of having parties and drinks, drugs and orgies.

Point taken. But how reliable is Afghanistan likely to be as a client state? Is this not the same country known as the "graveyard of empires"?

How reliable was it when you gave them weapons and training?
It only needs to stand as long as it has to.

[Autumnlicious]

.... parties and drinks, drugs and orgies...

Are we looking at the same America?

[Mystical]

Oh don't lie. Even if they did, its really nothing to be ashamed of, since he was your enemy. Its only natural to celebrate the death of an enemy, and I bet it wasn't just the Christians that celebrated the news. I'm sure that people celebrated in the very American fashion of having parties and drinks, drugs and orgies.

Stereotypes are so stereotypical. You may celebrate the death of your enemies, but I have none and I certainly wouldn't celebrate someones death.

[Minimalist]

I'm sure that people celebrated in the very American fashion of having parties and drinks, drugs and orgies.

This isn't some muslim shithole. That's called "Thursday" over here.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Oh don't lie. Even if they did, its really nothing to be ashamed of, since he was your enemy. Its only natural to celebrate the death of an enemy, and I bet it wasn't just the Christians that celebrated the news. I'm sure that people celebrated in the very American fashion of having parties and drinks, drugs and orgies.

Stereotypes are so stereotypical. You may celebrate the death of your enemies, but I have none and I certainly wouldn't celebrate someones death.

It really matters little if you personally didn't celebrate it. Enough Americans did.

Are we looking at the same America?

Well, again, thats how you present yourself to the outside world.

[Mystical]

So would you like it then if I said your country presents itself as goat herder towel heads? no? then stfu. We all know the extreme is not the norm and the extreme is what makes TV. As for blaming mE for what Americans as a whole did or didn't do: seems a bit asinine to me. I barely remember that day and no one was 'partying' besides the media. I could just as easily blame you for what the scientifically handicapped clerics proclaim nationally throughout Turkey, but I don't.

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TV is not controlled in order to portray an image to anyone. No one in Hollywood gives a shit about anything besides making money. I for one wouldn't want the censorship that Japan and China or North Korea have.

[kılıç_mehmet]

So would you like it then if I said your country presents itself as goat herder towel heads? no? then stfu. We all know the extreme is not the norm and the extreme is what makes TV. As for blaming mE for what Americans as a whole did or didn't do: seems a bit asinine to me. I barely remember that day and no one was 'partying' besides the media. I could just as easily blame you for what the scientifically handicapped clerics proclaim nationally throughout Turkey, but I don't.

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TV is not controlled in order to portray an image to anyone. No one in Hollywood gives a shit about anything besides making money. I for one wouldn't want the censorship that Japan and China or North Korea have.

Well, you'd be wrong, because thats not how we represent ourselves throughout the world, or at least in our area of influence, that is the Balkans, Central Asia, Caucasus Area and the Middle East.
Besides, with all the influence you have all you managed to do is to represent yourselves in a negative light. There is no one in the whole world that can say anything positive about the US of A, and that's not because of the wars, I tell you, in that case, people would just target your policies, we're talking about the people, and from what I see in your movies, TV series and whatever I see on the internet, I can say only that much about you. Besides, I'm not blaming you really, blaming someone would mean that I am somewhat affected negatively by this. Your image in the world does not really affect our image, neither does our image somewhat affect your image, so what are you blaming me for? Blame yourself for allowing this misrepresenation(that you claim to exist) to continue.

Since we have no means of representing ourselves in the US, neither by media, nor by a sizable community, anything you could say would be null and void. But you do, and we see America every day on our TV's, or on various places on the internet. If you think that you're misrepresented, you should blame your media. I can't blame your media, since its your media, and you ought to be telling them to stop showing Americans in the way I described above.
Meaning, you should control your media.

Besides, being a towel headed goat herder is not something to be ashamed of. It's honest labour, and sadly, a dying tradition.

[TaraJo]

It really matters little if you personally didn't celebrate it. Enough Americans did.

I'm still not sure where you're coming from. This line of thought started with Min blaming Bush for unnecessary wars and if you go back and watch some of his 2006 campaign videos, you'll see a president who's excited to go to war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgS_qPsTfmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duZ-RF2r0Y8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNoUbfTtI3g

So Minimilast was right. Iraq was Dubyas' war, no question there. Afghanistan, most people supported our invasion, including myself, but it wasn't handled the way it should have been and because of that, Osama Bin Laden wasn't caught until long after Bush left office (certainly long enough afterward that Dubya shouldn't be able to take credit for it anymore).

So, what I don't understand is, why did you bring up the death of Bin Laden when we blamed Bush for the war? I mean, the shrub was responsible for Iraq, no question, but not Bin Laden.

[Mystical]

I find it humorous how someone says left, you say right-- then I say right and you tell me" don't lie, American!"
I would think my position on the matter is the best possible scenario you could hope for because its fair and balanced. Instead you'd rather throw out references to how I a singular American, am responsible for all Americans including the media. I didn't say we were misrepresented,I said you should be realistic; TV is not reality. I'm not interested in restricting free speech whatsoever, thank you very much.

[CleanShavenJesus]

I didn't "celebrate", but I was sure damn happy when bin Laden was killed. I have no shame in saying that.