? God existence?:(, :)

[Duck]

Muslim scholars had translated it as "closest" or "nearest" , this word also means that metaphorically . Quranic language includes metaphors in some verses . Old scholars had translated this "nearest" because they thought that this is another metaphor , people in old times didnt know the place was world's lowest point .

So the people who wrote that passage didn't mean lowest point on the earth. That interpretation of the word is one that wasn't being used by the people who wrote the book. This COMPLETELY nullifies your claim. Rather neatly.

I don't necessarily expect you to see this, as it would interfere with you beliefs which appear to be completely unchangeable and impervious to reason.

[Nineteen]

Sorry, it will be a minute before I can stop laughing at the MASSIVE HYPOCRISY here.

You are aware the the Bible is open to you, and so are the other religious books. So are all the findings of science; there is a multitude of very good literature that would enhance and broaden your understanding of the world.

Out of interest, do you think that evolution is true? How about the 'big bang' and the way the universe developed? I can suggest some good books on these subjects if you need more information.

For your interest, I have actually read most of the Quran. And the Bible. Both are wholly unconvincing and make outrageous claims that are totally unsubstantiated.

The point I dont understand why are you forcing me to speak with you , I dont want to speak , dont continue to ask me persistently when I say "ok this is enough" .

I gave you the enough information and I cant do anything more if still you dont want to understand , my purpose is not making you muslim , I dont care what you believe . I'm just fixing the misconceptions .

So the people who wrote that passage didn't mean lowest point on the earth. That interpretation of the word is one that wasn't being used by the people who wrote the book. This COMPLETELY nullifies your claim. Rather neatly.

I don't necessarily expect you to see this, as it would interfere with you beliefs which appear to be completely unchangeable and impervious to reason.

Yes , you're right .

[Duck]

The point I dont understand why are you forcing me to speak with you , I dont want to speak , dont continue to ask me persistently when I say "ok this is enough" .

I gave you the enough information and I cant do anything more if still you dont want to understand , my purpose is not making you muslim , I dont care what you believe . I'm just fixing the misconceptions .

You are posting on a very active discussion forum; you need to expect people to reply and be argumentative. They will demand evidence and logical arguments to support your claims. Your tactic of just posting bits of verse or similar will hold no value here.

Yes , you're right .

About which bit? That your mind is completely closed or that your claim about the lowest point etc is null and void?

[Ksa]

Yes , you're right .

Wtf...she said he's right. Did I miss something here?

[Duck]

Yes , you're right .

Wtf...she said he's right. Did I miss something here?

I have asked for a clarification but either way... I was quite taken aback!

[WackyWicky]

So help me ... I can't help myself: a god is something that left the door open.

I left my lounge door open.

So I'm a god by your definition.

Does that sound logical to you? I hope not.

Fidel, I responded to your sarcastic question of 'Who left the asylum door open?," with an equally sarcastic answer. Both were meant to be an indication of how absurd/funny the whole thread was/is.

BTW What does logic have to do with this thread anyway?

Robert

[ThomM]

The only valid proof of Gods existence is FAITH
The only valid proof of God's non-existence is FAITH

There are no hypotheses' that can lead to a theory that can be used to design experiments that would prove or disprove the existence of God. In this day and day and age we insist that empirical, repeatable evidence prove a theory.

Anecdotal evidence is not proof. The bible, Koran or any other missive do not nor can not prove anything about a God.

Sorry - but I cannot agree completely

The problem is - what is your definition of a "god"?

YOU see - in the case of religious god claims - there are indeed ways to evaluate claims and determine existence based on how the religions define their god. IF - for example - they claim that there are traits of their god that are not mutually possible - it is indeed possible to eliminate the god for which they make the impossible claims. THAT is where most major religions fail - they make claims that cannot actually be true AT THE SAME TIME - for an individual god.

Now - that does not prove a "god" does not exist - it just proves THEIRS cannot exist as defined.

When you look at the claims of proof from religions - it is almost always some form of claim about the existence of an "ordered" universe (Which does not actually exist) - but the problem is - even if a HIGHER power was needed to initiate the process of evolution - a "creator" with just that ONE power is all that is implied - not an all everything god that religions claim.