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Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
#11
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
How would you prove it was Paul who wrote that if Paul actually wrote it?
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#12
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 23, 2013 at 3:43 am)savedwheat Wrote: How would you prove it was Paul who wrote that if Paul actually wrote it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about this Paul character, you are.

Burden of proof falls entirely on you. Smile now you can see why nobody but Christians take the bible seriously, and why nobody but Muslims take the Quran seriously, and so on.

Bon chance!
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 23, 2013 at 3:39 am)savedwheat Wrote: Is Galatians 1 anonymous? It says right at the start "This letter is from Paul, an apostle. I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead" (v.1).

Yep, and at the beginning of Wolf Children, the narration tells us that the story is being related by a half-wolf, half-human girl. It obviously isn't.

Like I keep saying, you're looking at the claim, not the confirmation of that claim.
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#14
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
Are you suggesting it being Paul's writing can't be proven, or for that matter any writing from antiquity?
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#15
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 23, 2013 at 3:48 am)savedwheat Wrote: Are you suggesting it being Paul's writing can't be proven, or for that matter any writing from antiquity?

Well, we have corroboration for other writings from antiquity; the events therein are relayed through multiple sources from multiple authors. When it comes to the bible, the only references to the christianity-specific events, like the miracles, come from the bible itself.
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RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 23, 2013 at 3:48 am)savedwheat Wrote: Are you suggesting it being Paul's writing can't be proven, or for that matter any writing from antiquity?

Certainly some writings from antiquity can be traced to actual people. Ever heard of Aristotle? What about Pythagoras? And even if Pythagoras wasn't real, the equations attributed to him are. It's a nice equivocation fallacy to extend our skepticism about an completely unsourced book to others who have demonstrable proof of their existence.

Now, you believe that this Paul chap, whoever that is, existed and, further, that he knew of this Jesus chap and that this Jesus was divine in some shape or form? Yes?

If so, enjoy trying to prove that claim to us :-)
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#17
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
What makes you think the Bible is not multiple sources with multiple authors?
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#18
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 23, 2013 at 3:54 am)savedwheat Wrote: What makes you think the Bible is not multiple sources with multiple authors?

Again, your claim. I don't think anything about the bible, I don't care one iota about it. If there are multiple, evidenced accounts, you shouldn't have any issue providing them. Please do so.

When are you going to start backing up your initial claim about Paul? Got any evidence about that?
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I thought the books of the New Testament were the multiple sources.
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#20
RE: Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
(December 23, 2013 at 3:58 am)savedwheat Wrote: I thought the books of the New Testament were the multiple sources.

And taking your canon as true, that would mean they were written by three people. I've asked this before, but why is it the same types of claims from other religions don't even phase you, but when they come from the bible it's suddenly so weird that we don't believe them?

Incidentally, you do know that the scholarly consensus is that the biblical canon isn't the result of the singular authors they claim to be, and that they were edited and changed after the fact through the ages, right?
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