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Poll: I just registered as an Atheist at christianforums.com... how long will I last there? :)
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Not more than 5 posts. Tongue
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Might make it to the 20th post, but not likely any further. Smile
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For a good 50-100, but one has to offend them sometime. Wink
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All the way to 200! Big Grin
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Won't ever get banned. The force is with you, young Saerules! Devil
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How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
#31
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
I wouldn't call it nature, but the fear to embarrassing oneself to the opposite sex (in the case of the mostly heterosexual audience I'd ascribe to be most likely in Christian Forums) is a big motivator to try to hide even on "public" forums. Splitting issues of men and women apart is a rather large and hamfisted access control to give perhaps a large, or maybe small, group of people a way to discuss items that may be offensive, embarrassing, or easily misinterpreted.
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#32
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
(November 27, 2009 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Women are incredibly strong and have absolutely no problem expressing themselves in my experience Amph.. it's a female thing in case you hadn't noticed. Maybe you're different?
This is true, I have met a lot of very strong willful ladies that are not afraid to express themselves. Everyones different!
(November 27, 2009 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Midwives would argue that doctors are less qualified to deal with childbirth.. and from my experience I'd have to agree.
This is interesting that you bring this up, because an acquaintance of my is a midwive she is currently going to school. And one of my sisters is a Registered Nurse.
(November 27, 2009 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So you disagree that women prefer women to assist with every aspect of childbirth??? You disagree with the female role in rearing children? The reason for the distinction is that naturally women understand what another woman goes through having experienced this themselves.
No I don't disagree that women prefer women to assist with every aspect of childbirth, but there are very good male doctors to, so I won't really know until I have a kid. No I don't disagree with the female role in rearing children, but to be honest I don't know much about child rearing. This is true a women can trust another women because they have been in the same shoes.
(November 27, 2009 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: People also have a need for privacy. That need can have sexual boundaries. People feel they canshare privacy with the same sex where they cannot with the opposite sex. This is nature.
These are true.

Most gals should not be afraid to talk about private things with men. But it is one touchy subject.

Frodo, I think it would be best that we took this into another thread or PM eachother back with our responses, ok?
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#33
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
(November 27, 2009 at 11:57 pm)Amphora Wrote: Frodo, I think it would be best that we took this into another thread or PM eachother back with our responses, ok?

Yep no probs. You in charge Wink
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#34
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
(November 27, 2009 at 9:05 pm)Synackaon Wrote: I wouldn't call it nature, but the fear to embarrassing oneself to the opposite sex (in the case of the mostly heterosexual audience I'd ascribe to be most likely in Christian Forums) is a big motivator to try to hide even on "public" forums. Splitting issues of men and women apart is a rather large and hamfisted access control to give perhaps a large, or maybe small, group of people a way to discuss items that may be offensive, embarrassing, or easily misinterpreted.

I think that the fear of embarrassing the opposite sex is a reason to get socializing with them, not to shy away. But that's just my own personal view, it may not be best for all, or some, or many. If all I'm speaking for is myself then, fine.

If we talk about averages then yes, of course, sexes are different. I am just speaking for myself when I say I don't understand why anyone would want any separation. I accept that it is the case that some/many people do, and if that's what they want, fine. But I really cannot relate.

(November 27, 2009 at 3:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Are you saying that people expressing a preference shouldn't be allowed consultation with someone of the same sex??
No, I'm not saying that. Of course not, that's utterly ridiculous.

I'm just saying that I think, on the whole, separation=isolation=not healthy. I think it would be great if we could all learn to embrace our - on average, (stereotypical?) - differences rather than shy away.

Quote:Why aren't there many male midwives/ doula's? Why is this a female dominated profession? I actually think it's discrimination to deny a sexual preference should a person express it. Your political correctness makes you look good, but it's thoughtless.

This has got nothing to do with me 'looking good' or not. I don't care about political correctness. Giving my own thoughts is exactly what I am trying to do. If you dismiss it as "thoughtless", then fine, that is your opinion - but I am also giving you mine. And IMO it is not "thoughtless".

I'm not talking about what jobs sexes are on average best at. I'm talking about how I think on the whole isolation is not a good thing and it would be good if more people, perhaps, could embrace the differences between sexes, and not be 'intimidated' (for want of a better word).

Men seem to make firemen, or so I have heard. I don't know if I've ever even seen a firewoman. But what jobs sexes on the whole are best at, is not what I am talking about.

Quote:Sometimes integration is healthy, and separation unhealthy. I hate separate sex schools. I've seen some strange results! Tongue
I really don't see what's the problem with socializing with both sexes. I don't see a problem with mixing in groups of your own either, other than I just think "Why do you need to do that?", I myself, at least, just can't personally relate to that.

Quote:Women can't talk about some aspects of sex in front of men if the men aren't going to be sensitive to the woman's perspective. Stereotypical maleness is not to discuss.

I don't think that is just an issue of "offensiveness", but sometimes perhaps one of privacy. I do not know, I am not a woman and I don't have much experience on these issues.

Now, if offensiveness is the only issue in some cases, and if, to take a random selection of one of those hypothetical cases, you're, say, a man who can be sensitive to women - or vice versa, a woman who can understand the group of men... - then there is still of course nothing wrong with separating the sexes if, on the whole, this is what people want; but I can't help but wonder why sometimes, just sometimes, more people can't learn to embrace their differences whether it be a matter of difference of sex, race, or whatever.

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#35
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
Guys can we please take this to another thread? This thread is for Saerules to see how long she will be at the Christian forums before she gets banned.
Freedom is the ability to march to the beat of a different drummer without fear of retribution. Secularone

Ignorance is bliss but understanding is wonderful. Atheist forums.org
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#36
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
Sounds like a job for wonder mod Big Grin
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#37
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
(November 28, 2009 at 2:28 pm)Amphora Wrote: Guys can we please take this to another thread? This thread is for Saerules to see how long she will be at the Christian forums before she gets banned.

Lol ^_^ I'm good either way Tongue I is entertained Smile I see no reason you can't discuss the topic here, but if it makes you happy Tongue

I'm gonna guess that

is the supermod that'll split it Tongue And now I am probably gonna be proven wrong Wink
(November 28, 2009 at 2:28 pm)Amphora Wrote: Guys can we please take this to another thread? This thread is for Saerules to see how long she will be at the Christian forums before she gets banned.

This thread is to provide a little bit of humor by asking an amusing question Tongue And I'll be able to answer that sometime, I hope Tongue

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#38
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
(November 29, 2009 at 2:04 am)Saerules Wrote: The tracking cookie has officially gotten annoying... every email I get from them is marked as unsafe >_< I have to puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurge my system every time I go there or check an email from them >_<

View it as text instead of html. Then you won't get a cookie in there.
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#39
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
(November 29, 2009 at 7:59 am)Synackaon Wrote:
(November 29, 2009 at 2:04 am)Saerules Wrote: The tracking cookie has officially gotten annoying... every email I get from them is marked as unsafe >_< I have to puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurge my system every time I go there or check an email from them >_<

View it as text instead of html. Then you won't get a cookie in there.

How would I do that...? Shock
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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#40
RE: How long till I'm banned from Christianforums.com?
EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:but I can't help but wonder why sometimes, just sometimes, more people can't learn to embrace their differences whether it be a matter of difference of sex, race, or whatever.
Individuality wouldn't be a word if not for differences... why aren't more people individual? Thinking

(November 27, 2009 at 6:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Women are incredibly strong and have absolutely no problem expressing themselves in my experience Amph.. it's a female thing in case you hadn't noticed. Maybe you're different?

"Because they are more likely to become doctors" ...wow! How sexist!

Midwives would argue that doctors are less qualified to deal with childbirth.. and from my experience I'd have to agree. So you disagree that women prefer women to assist with every aspect of childbirth??? You disagree with the female role in rearing children? The reason for the distinction is that naturally women understand what another woman goes through having experienced this themselves.
I completely confused as to how to interpret that first sentence :S

The medical field has (by far and large) been dominated by men since the idea of medicine became manifest. In the last couple decades, the gender ratio in the medical field has been equalizing.

From my mother's experience... I'd have to disagree with you about the midwife thing. I also disagree with preferring a woman to assist a mother to a man assisting... my only care is if the person/people helping the mother know what the hell they are doing. Also, being in a hospital, which has all of the facilities and specially trained professionals that could possibly be needed... is by far superior to having a single individual come to one's home with a handful of tools that they may not be fully trained in the use of.

So yes, I think that midwifery should be abolished. To speak personally: I don't care if it is a man, woman, robot, or whatever 'working on' me... so long as it is going to do what I need it to do, and will not go beyond what I will it to do. We all have to trust those/that which is 'working on' us... trust to you may simply be a matter of gender... but to me it is a matter of ability, experience, and safety. I think it should be the same for everyone (Quality >>>> Appearance)... and would much prefer if others would/could go to a hospital where they can be assured of ability, experience, and safety.

Sadly... our world is so far from great... that even midwifery might be useful and good at times : /

Quote:People also have a need for privacy. That need can have sexual boundaries. People feel they canshare privacy with the same sex where they cannot with the opposite sex. This is nature.
You call shame of one's body 'nature'? I call that ridiculous.
People are born nude... I call that 'nature'.

If it were not for the disgusting distortions of my flesh caused to me by the disease I call 'the Y chromosome'... I would be entirely unabashed by the absence of fake skin on myself... just as I am not offended by fake skin on others. Smile
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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