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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 1:37 pm
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(February 5, 2014 at 1:31 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Truth is correspondence between assertion and reality. Knowledge is a justified true belief. Reason is entirely guided by one's emotions. Talking of a world devoid of subjective experience is meaningless. Do I need to keep going?
You started? You didn't answer my question at all.
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Philosophy has its uses, but on it's own gets you nowhere.
Irate it below science but above religion.
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 2:04 pm
(February 5, 2014 at 1:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Philosophy has its uses, but on it's own gets you nowhere.
Irate it below science but above religion.
So you don't think computer programming has use?
Or critical thinking?
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 2:07 pm
(February 5, 2014 at 2:04 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: (February 5, 2014 at 1:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Philosophy has its uses, but on it's own gets you nowhere.
Irate it below science but above religion.
So you don't think computer programming has use?
Or critical thinking?
I beg your pardon, but what are you talking about?
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 2:17 pm
(February 5, 2014 at 2:04 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: So you don't think computer programming has use?
Or critical thinking?
Computer programming is philosophy now? What.
Critical thinking isn't philosophy either, at least not by my understanding.
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 2:49 pm
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 2:54 pm
(February 5, 2014 at 2:17 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Critical thinking isn't philosophy either, at least not by my understanding.
What would be helpful would be a good definition of what Philosophy is to start with? Here's one to start (from wikipedia):
"Philosophy is a study of problems which are ultimate, abstract and very general. These problems are concerned with the nature of existence, knowledge, morality, reason and human purpose."
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Computer programming comes directly from Logic - a branch of Philosophy call Anglo American Philosophy which is essentially built on a line of Philosophers including Russel , Wittgenstein and Ayer. Ayer wrote Language, Truth, and Logic in 1924 and Computer programming was born directly out of it. No Anglo-American philosophy means no computing. Critical thinking is also a direct product of Philosophy.
however if people are talking about Continental philosophy then i'd agree its nonsense on stilts ,especially postmodernism.
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 3:12 pm
(February 4, 2014 at 5:47 pm)Rayaan Wrote: What about you? I find some of the philosophical discussions interesting. I don't take part in them because I think there's a structure to it and I don't understand that structure well enough. I also think that a lot of people who don't understand it try their hand at it and manage to make a mess of any discussion they take part in. Or maybe they do understand and try to muddle the discussion when they feel they're losing the argument. Either way, the discussion becomes incoherent and needlessly complicated.
Sometimes I think philosophical discussions are used for just that reason; it's more effective to wrap an idea or opinion in layers of incomprehensible babble than to lay it out in a logical manner and let people attack it logically.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: How much do you like philosophy?
February 5, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Napo,
Philosophy is involved in computer science, too. It has contributed in many ways in laying out the goals and methodology of our daily computational artifacts.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computer-science/
Quote:For nearly every field of study, there is a branch of philosophy, called the philosophy of that field. …Since the main purpose of a given field of study is to contribute to knowledge, the philosophy of X is, at least in part, a branch of epistemology. Its purpose is to provide an account of the goals, methodology, and subject matter of X. (Shapiro 1983: 525)
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