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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 9:28 am
Then there's nothing to worry about. When we get to the afterlife, we realize that god is there and we open that door and we crash the party in heaven. And all of the theists are like "what the fuck, god? We spent all of those years trying so hard to please you and it was that easy to get into heaven the whole time???"
So we toss a sideways glance at god, and he tosses a sideways glance at us, and after a short pause we both burst into hysterical laughter. And god tells the theists "stop acting like a bunch of stuck up dorks and grab a 40 already!!!" And the atheists walk around the room, pointing at each theist and shouting "YOU'RE A BITCH! AND YOU'RE A BITCH! AND YOU'RE A BITCH!"
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 10:00 am
(February 12, 2014 at 7:35 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Ah but you won't be joking about this when your dead and you come to appreciate the full glory of the Lord and all that shit going down. You'll be like this  Is this some sort of Pascal's wager?
Why should I worry about whatever may happen after I'm dead?
Well... I do worry about that... but not about what will happen to me... I worry about my kids and I hope that by then I'll have grandkids.
Also, as a scientist, I try to provide humanity with a few more tools to advance our understanding.
But you're talking about something else... something of myself that carries on after I'm dead... like my personality, my memories, my knowledge... surely not my body...and that non-corporeal bundle of neurological events will, somehow experience the "full glory of the Lord" and somehow end up worshiping said lord, am I right?
And you've come across this information because someone has indeed been in that state and then managed to communicate with someone, while in that state (I'd imagine the physical body of this person to have rotted away by the time "it" could communicate with some the physical world)... am I right?
And this has happened enough independent times to discount false testimony, mistaken information, psychological disorders and other problems that may arise, right?
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:27 am
(February 12, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Do you consider yourself to be working here?
I'd hardly call it "work," because sanctimoniously judging others in an ignorant fashion seems to come effortlessly to GC.
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:29 am
(February 13, 2014 at 8:19 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: ...as God won't force his love on anyone.
No, he just warns you that you'll be tortured if you don't accept it.
That's not forcing at all.
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:30 am
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2014 at 11:31 am by Sword of Christ.)
Only atheists are in any danger of being proved conclusively utterly wrong whereupon they will at the very least feel like a proper mug. Given that danger I'd try not make childish remarks about God/faith.
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:32 am
(February 13, 2014 at 11:30 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Only atheists are in any danger of being proved conclusively utterly wrong whereupon they will at the very least feel like a proper mug. Given that danger I'd try not make childish remarks about God/faith.
Are you flaunting the fact that your beliefs are unfalsifiable?
And fuck your god. Is that childish enough for you?
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:37 am
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(February 13, 2014 at 11:32 am)Faith No More Wrote: Are you flaunting the fact that your beliefs are unfalsifiable?
The warning can apply to atheists who get a little too cocky that they know everything and attempt to use ridicule, you will only ridicule yourself eventually when you are demonstrated to be wrong. And you will be.
Quote:And fuck your god. Is that childish enough for you?
He's your God as well, not that God belongs to anyone it's the other way around.
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:40 am
Meh. Petulant threats don't get anywhere with me.
But I suppose if you had evidence, you'd use that instead.
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:51 am
(February 13, 2014 at 11:40 am)Faith No More Wrote: Meh. Petulant threats don't get anywhere with me.
A warning isn't a threat. You don't don't actually know God or a higher power doesn't exist and it's you who will get to find out if they're wrong not the other way.
Quote:But I suppose if you had evidence, you'd use that instead.
What would count as evidence?
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
February 13, 2014 at 11:56 am
(February 13, 2014 at 11:30 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Only atheists are in any danger of being proved conclusively utterly wrong whereupon they will at the very least feel like a proper mug. Given that danger I'd try not make childish remarks about God/faith. Danger of what, exactly?
Oh.. Pascal's wager again... -.-'
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