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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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(February 17, 2014 at 2:39 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Why would atheists read books of apologetics when they've already heard them before?
They don't seem to know what Christianity is supposed to be about or that belief in God can be based on reason. Though I think certain religious people/Christians are to blame for not well understanding it themselves and for not applying it, for going against what we consider to be moral beliefs and behavior and for going against science.
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Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 2:46 pm
This is a discussion forum, not a book club. If you're so convinced these books provide logical arguments based on reason pertinent to the debate, why don't you open one and provide it?
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 2:48 pm
Just as an aside:
Mondrian, I apologize if I missed your intro post (oh, no... I didn't. There isn't one), but welcome.
"You tit" and "fucktard" aren't arguments. Personally, I'm sick of the evil/asshole atheist label and would appreciate it if you wouldn't perpetuate it. Too many ad homs might get you banned, and if you're here just to run around and shit all over the board, I for one won't be upset about it.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 2:51 pm
SoC, I think Mondrain is a poe so you better go and put him on ignore. And care to answer my last post?
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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(February 17, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: This is a discussion forum, not a book club. If you're so convinced these books provide logical arguments based on reason pertinent to the debate, why don't you open one and provide it?
I can prove the books made the same kinds of arguments and points I'm making. But it was an atheist who initially accused theists/believers of not reading anything beyond what they already believe and so stifling their knowledge and living in ignorance of the facts. The fact is atheists never read these kinds of books and it shows in their arguments. Theists by contrast are often keen to read books like the God Delusion and God is not Great.
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February 17, 2014 at 3:16 pm
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Actually, the argument was that Atheists are more likely to have actually read the bible instead of simply relying on dogma and books on apologetics to interpret it.
You're simply dodging the question, once again, including mine, and proving that the claims made by others are indeed correct.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 3:17 pm
(February 17, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: The important difference here is that God made us in his image we didn't make God in our image seeing as God isn't depicted like this. God is depicted like that. He is depicted "walking around" and "making clothes" (Gen 3:8,21). He threatens to "hide his face" from the nation of Israel (Deu 31:17). He has hands (Amos 9:2), eyes (Amos 9:4), ears (Num 11:18), feet (Nah 1:3)... you can find a verse for almost every part of god's body. He acts and reacts the way humans do. His angels take on human or humanoid forms and do human things.
Trying to argue that Yahweh is different from other gods because he's invisible is hysterical. It's also dumb. And also wrong.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 3:25 pm
(February 17, 2014 at 2:39 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (February 17, 2014 at 2:06 pm)truthBtold Wrote: And u know this because the bible says so???
Well yes that is the idea as the Bible is the revelation from God to mankind. It supports the same fundamental form of morality you consider to be moral because your moral values derive both from Christianity within the cultural context and also from God who is the metaphysical context who underpins everything that exists. It also represents the life and beliefs of a historical ancient culture which clearly wasn't in many ways as advanced as our own. We have clearly and factually made some kind of progress towards some form of ideal. Though we ourselves fall far from this ideal we can't be too smug.
Quote:Come on get real.. u believe a book written by whackos.. edited by bigger whackos... and fed to people like u with no EVIDENCE. ... I have fresh air to sell u... please dont waste it by blowing it out ur ass....
You provide your own evidence with your knowledge of morality being something that is unchanging and not culturally and historically relative. That's how you can pick out these passages in the Bible and claim there is something wrong with them, you get this from God and from Christ which are in some way one and the same thing in some way. You feel a genuine horror at some of these passages and an inner discomfort, as well you should. The first Christians felt the exactly same way as you as do modern Christians of course. But all you have to do is point to the foundation stone of the faith who is Jesus Christ the man who underpins the Christian faith and provides the context to which the whole thing can be read.
U got a lot to learn about ur own religion.. if there is no god.. no book.. no Christianity. .. what would u do? Be a monster?
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 3:45 pm
(February 17, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: The important difference here is that God made us in his image we didn't make God in our image seeing as God isn't depicted like this.
Yep. And Harry Potter killed Voldemort. Gotcha.
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RE: Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination
February 17, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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(February 17, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (February 17, 2014 at 2:39 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Why would atheists read books of apologetics when they've already heard them before?
They don't seem to know what Christianity is supposed to be about or that belief in God can be based on reason. Though I think certain religious people/Christians are to blame for not well understanding it themselves and for not applying it, for going against what we consider to be moral beliefs and behavior and for going against science.
And this is what christianity does for you - you fcukwit:
Science (medicine) 1 christianity 0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26224452
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