Proof of the soul?

[Simon Moon]

Several points:

1. Speaking in tongues.

To start with, Mark 16:17 is not original to the Bible. It is a later addition. The oldest known copies of the NT do not contain any references to speaking in new tongues.

But as others have said, they are not speaking in a language. Linguists have examined samples of what is being uttered, and the same syllables will have different usages for different people.

Finally, atheist ex Pastor, Dan Barker can 'speak in tongues' on demand. He is doing the same thing as when he was a believer.

2. loosing 21 grams at death proves the soul exists.

This is ridiculous on many levels.

First, the claim itself is not supported by the 100 year old experiment. MacDougal only tested 6 people, 2 of which he tossed out the results himself. So, we're only talking about 4 people in the sample size.

Second, there are other explanations for the loss of weight. Many times, right at death, a human's body temp will go up as much as 10 degrees. Evaporation of sweat could easily explain the loss of weight.

[Mister Agenda]

The claims of the afterlife far outweight those of aliens.

From all the people who have actually died and come back to tell us what it was like...wait, no such person exists. They're called near death experiences for a reason.

And guess what ikind of NDE's Hindus report.

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Did you actually read that Snopes page? It basically says that the idea that the soul has weight which is removed at the time of death is pretty much bullshit.

And obviously you did not use that handy WikiHow guide I linked you to that explained how to evaluate whether a source was reliable.

Why would soooo many people lie, they're not all making money off of this.

People can honestly believe things that aren't true. People can have experiences that aren't actually happening outside their own heads. Arguably, none of our experiences are happening outsdie of our own heads, because all of our experiences are interpretations generated by our brains. No lying necessary.

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Well here's some more proof: My father (and others) often begin speaking in tounges during church. That's physical evidence. Can any atheist explain them getting lost in the spirit?

I've spoken in tongues during church, too. I still can, if I want. It's just babbling.

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Hysteria.

It's the same as the fans of famous bands and singers becoming hysterical at the mere sight of their heroes.

That was easy.

So there happens to be like two dozen crazy people in my town of like 11,000?

I'm sure it's more than that, but crazy is not what's going on with glossalalia. It has more to do with social pressure.

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How can they just mistakenly start talking in another language?

It's not a mistake in that sense. They've been told that if they open their mouths and let whatever comes to them fall out, it will be God speaking through them. The mistake was believing the person who told them that.

[Clueless Morgan]

JL1's posts read just like a farce. This is too Poe-like to believe he's just this misinformed.

JL1, what you're doing is dishonest, and the fact that you haven't come clean yet is very telling of your fear of reprimand. Even though, every day you continue on without telling us who you really are, you forfeit that much more patience the staff here will have with you.

No rush though. Keep purposefully lying to everyone here. People love dishonesty, right?

This is all untrue.

Care to provide evidence of that? We might not believe you otherwise...

[Mister Agenda]

Why do atheists not rely on what people say? Why should I believe what anyone says then?

We rely on what people say all the time. But we proportion our belief according to the available prior information. If you say you tied your shoe yourself this morning, most of us will take you at your word...but NOT because testimony is so reliable. Because of our prior knowledge that most people who can type can tie their own shoes, we know it is not an extraordinary claim, so we require very little evidence to accept it. If you say you don't need shoes because you levitate everywhere you go, it will take more than your word to get us to believe you.

The first thing we normally do with claims is evaluate them for 'ordinariness'. If we're theists, we waive that requirement as long as it's just for our own religion.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Several points:

1. Speaking in tongues.

To start with, Mark 16:17 is not original to the Bible. It is a later addition. The oldest known copies of the NT do not contain any references to speaking in new tongues.

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But as others have said, they are not speaking in a language. Linguists have examined samples of what is being uttered, and the same syllables will have different usages for different people.

Finally, atheist ex Pastor, Dan Barker can 'speak in tongues' on demand. He is doing the same thing as when he was a believer.

2. loosing 21 grams at death proves the soul exists.

This is ridiculous on many levels.

First, the claim itself is not supported by the 100 year old experiment. MacDougal only tested 6 people, 2 of which he tossed out the results himself. So, we're only talking about 4 people in the sample size.

Second, there are other explanations for the loss of weight. Many times, right at death, a human's body temp will go up as much as 10 degrees. Evaporation of sweat could easily explain the loss of weight.

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Are you sure about that? It's in the 1599 Geneva Bible. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=GNV

BTW, there are numerous verses in the New Testament about speaking in tongues and encouraging the practice.

[Simon Moon]

Several points:

1. Speaking in tongues.

To start with, Mark 16:17 is not original to the Bible. It is a later addition. The oldest known copies of the NT do not contain any references to speaking in new tongues.

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But as others have said, they are not speaking in a language. Linguists have examined samples of what is being uttered, and the same syllables will have different usages for different people.

Finally, atheist ex Pastor, Dan Barker can 'speak in tongues' on demand. He is doing the same thing as when he was a believer.

2. loosing 21 grams at death proves the soul exists.

This is ridiculous on many levels.

First, the claim itself is not supported by the 100 year old experiment. MacDougal only tested 6 people, 2 of which he tossed out the results himself. So, we're only talking about 4 people in the sample size.

Second, there are other explanations for the loss of weight. Many times, right at death, a human's body temp will go up as much as 10 degrees. Evaporation of sweat could easily explain the loss of weight.

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Are you sure about that? It's in the 1599 Geneva Bible. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=GNV

BTW, there are numerous verses in the New Testament about speaking in tongues and encouraging the practice.

Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.

[pocaracas]

Has anyone ever found a person typing in tongues? Why must it be "speak"?

Griblaerf vultimon friedvist grunble wofrest.

WOW! What just came over me?!
ARGGHHH what was that?!
I typed in tongues?! Could it be??
Do it again!!!

can't... it doesn't work that way.... damn...
Well, until I do it again... I wait.

[Esquilax]

From all the people who have actually died and come back to tell us what it was like...wait, no such person exists. They're called near death experiences for a reason.

And guess what ikind of NDE's Hindus report.

More importantly, NDE's don't just pop up in people who are near death either; people who only feel like they're about to die, when medically they're totally safe, have reported NDE's too. This shit is at least partially psychosomatic, in some cases.

[Tonus]

Has anyone ever found a person typing in tongues?

What, you never read one of enrico's posts?

[Bob Kelso]

You know, the more I read JL1's posts the more convinced I am that he's a Poe.

I know there are some delusional, sheltered sheeple out there, but this guy... JL1 either admit that you're a Poe and get the fuck out or grow the fuck up and step out of mummy and daddy's shadow long enough to think for your fucking self.



(Canadian cents, because American money is counter-productive to my message; "In god we trust", hah, what drivel.)