RE: There is more than one way to heaven.
December 18, 2009 at 9:23 pm
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2009 at 9:25 pm by theVOID.)
(December 15, 2009 at 2:16 am)tackattack Wrote:(December 14, 2009 at 9:05 am)theVOID Wrote: No of course it does not - i have said this many times to you already and you don't seem to pick up on it. I'm not saying that Unicorns never existed, nor Jesus nor Horus - what i am saying is that nobody knows whether or not they ever existed, and while there may be cave drawings or hearsay about them that does not qualify any level of certainty about their existence.
And what I'm saying is the caveman had to have seen something that caused him to draw it on a wall. Where did he come up with the idea to give it 2 horns on the front, 4 legs, a tail and the stature of a horselike creature? You can prove the tangible in the now that we have no fossilized remain of anything resembling a "unicorn" or you can trace the the logical progression of the story back to something and see the truth that the unicorn myth probably cam from this creature (I'm not statig it just just an assertion).
Where did he come up with the idea? How about imagination? Why does it have to be a drawing of something he saw physically and not a mental image or a spur of the moment drawing? What makes cavemen less capable of imagination than us?
He drew it with two horns? That's not a unicorn anyway. Could have been a really shit artist drawing a Rhino - You cannot know with any level of certainty that this was the origin of the Unicorn Myth and more than you can know for certain that there was a real man behind the myth of Jesus.
Quote:(December 14, 2009 at 6:27 am)theVOID Wrote: A lot of people have perceived many different things, we can either believe all of them because "who are we to say" or we can compare their experience to a reality that we can observe and see if they are congruent.I agree. We can compare their experience to our personal reality that we can observe and see if they're congruent.
(December 14, 2009 at 6:27 am)theVOID Wrote: Tests with God? Be more specific
Everyone see's patterns and coincidences and we remember them because they are the improbable, we can't chose coincidence because that would invalidate it, so it hardly stands to reason that whether or not you want them makes a difference.
But it does make a difference. It's the difference between whether you are the next cause in the chain or are being affected by someone else's cause. Tests with God ok. When I doubt God or am at my spiritually low points "coincidences" ALWAYS arise through some unrelated randomness to put me back in God's Love. When I've given up hope in humanity, I always meet someone which rekindles that hope. When I'm uncertain which road to choose, the road always chooses me and it's the right road. Theese are just some of many and I have a lot of posts to get to.
Coincidence is something unintended that presents it's self any time and any place in any number of events and interactions, choosing coincidence however is to negate the randomness entirely and instead change the outcome to causality with a degree of probable, intentional success.
What you have explained as Tests with God are no more remarkable than any other event that anyone else at all could experience and named a coincidence, albeit a positive one. Can you give some examples of these coincidences rather than run of the mill generalities that pretty much everyone can relate to?
Quote:(December 14, 2009 at 6:27 am)theVOID Wrote: End results of what work? And what do you mean if i had done nothing?Goes back to being affected or affecting others through free-will.
(December 14, 2009 at 6:27 am)theVOID Wrote: But you aren't just allowing the possibility - you're accepting it as a fact and organizing your life around the conclusions it leads to.
I'm not going to say that none of it is possible, but i'm sure as hell not going to dive head first into believing the testimony of primitive people or anyone for that matter, especially considering the amount of delusion present in the world, the strange pattern seeking in humans such as pareidolia, nor the fact that many people would make up such claims for power, money and cheap thrills.
I don't think I'm diving "head first into believing the testimony of primitive people or anyone for that matter" except my own reality.
Your own reality holds no clues to the existence of Jesus, who you specifically believe in, and your descriptions of god helping you are as much vague generalizations of commonly experienced coincidence - so while it would be possible to come to the conclusion of god from your own experiences, correctly interpreted or not, your belief in Jesus comes from then hearsay testimony of bronze age Palestinians passed down as fact through dozens of generations.
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