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Where Did The Trinity Teaching Come From?
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RE: Where Did The Trinity Teaching Come From?
No fault of mine! Tongue
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#12
RE: Where Did The Trinity Teaching Come From?
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim (Strong #430) which is a plural noun.

Genesis 1:26 "And God said let us make man in our image after our likeness."
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, "Behold the man is become as one of us..."
Genesis 18:1-3 "And lo three men stood"
Isaiah 6:8 "Who will go for us"
John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and my father are one."

In the new testament the most convincing is Jesus' baptism in Matthew 3:13-17, Mark 1:9-11, and Luke 3:21-22.

Matthew:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Here we see that Jesus is physically present, the Father speaks, and the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form (Luke) like a dove. Three separate entities of God manifest at one point in time.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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#13
RE: Where Did The Trinity Teaching Come From?
What a load of shit.

Bart Ehrman, in his splendid little book "Lost Christianities," demonstrates how this whole trinity bullshit story evolved because of the fractured nature of early xtianity itself. The proto-orthodox could not tolerate such dissension and set about to exterminate other views. In the process, they painted themselves into the rather ridiculous corner that says 1+1+1=1 and they remain there to this day....

Quote:The Roman bishops in question were Victor’s successor, Zephyrinus (bishop 198–217 CE) and Zephyrinus’s successor Callistus (217–22 CE). Hippolytus himself is one of our main sources of information for the conflict, and he has the honesty to admit that the majority of Christians in Rome supported the christological view he opposed. Both sides in the dispute, I should stress, agreed with the essential proto-orthodox notion that Christ was both God and man. And both were firmly committed to monotheism: There is only one God. But how can Christ be God and God the Father be God if there is only one God?

Hippolytus’s opponents solved the problem rather neatly. Christ was God the Father himself, come in the flesh to save the world that he created. Hippolytus was not the only proto-orthodox Christian to find this view untenable. Equally vocal in opposition was Tertullian. Together they raised a number of biblical and logical objections: Why does Scripture say that God sent his son, rather than that he sent himself? How can anyone be his own father? To whom is Jesus speaking when he prays? How can Jesus talk about going to his Father (John 20:17) if he is the Father? And is it really conceivable that God the Father was killed? This last issue became a rallying point for those who opposed the view. They mocked to those who thought the “Father suffered,” and coined the term “patripassianist” (father-sufferers) to refer to anyone who subscribed to such a otion.21

You won't learn anything just reading the same silly shit over and over. Expand your field of knowledge and learn how the con job you call xtianity evolved.
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RE: Where Did The Trinity Teaching Come From?
(March 17, 2014 at 1:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Bart Ehrman, in his splendid little book "Lost Christianities," demonstrates how this whole trinity bullshit story evolved because of the fractured nature of early xtianity itself. The proto-orthodox could not tolerate such dissension and set about to exterminate other views. In the process, they painted themselves into the rather ridiculous corner that says 1+1+1=1 and they remain there to this day....
I like the idea that they're sitting around and trying to hash out this problem of whether there is one god or two, and how to shoe-horn the holy spirit into the whole deal. Finally one of them is like "let's just say that they're all god." The others look at him all weird, then they realize that he's easily bigger than any of them and could probably snap them in two, and they reply "yeah, that totally works." Then they all hit the showers and the soap hits the floor a few times and well... we know the rest.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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