Question for Muslims

[Chas]

Did those pagans pose threat to the muslim lives? if not then they violated then those muslims violated your principle you posted above.

Yes they did - which is recorded in history as well - and that's why the Muslims had the right to retaliate per the Quranic revelations.

They only had a 'right' only by their delusional beliefs. The Quran does not actually give anyone the right to do anything at all, any more than the Bible does, or The Lord of the Rings does.

[Minimalist]

Well, they may have intended going there mainly for intellectual, materialistic, political, and/or nationalistic reasons, but such a military aggression is not justifiable just for the spread of Islam.

Yeah... we always send an army for that shit, too.

Armies are designed to kill people and break things. Face it, mon ami. Your pals were just murdering thugs.

[Khansins]

Does Allah command killing of atheists and polytheists?
Yes or No.

Tor ! Please elaborate a little on your question. Then I would love to answer it. In what circumstances you mean ?

Anyway. In Islam , the blood and belongings of the other brother are sacred more than our Holy Kabah.

[tor]

Does Allah command killing of atheists and polytheists?
Yes or No.

Tor ! Please elaborate a little on your question. Then I would love to answer it. In what circumstances you mean ?

Anyway. In Islam , the blood and belongings of the other brother are sacred more than our Holy Kabah.

What gives you permission to kill me?

[OGirly]

I was once indoctrinated by this faith so maybe I can help a bit? As far as I was taught (I read also, but keep in mind the entire time I was being instructed by other women in the masjid etc so I was always having my interpretations handed to me) Islam only allows for the killing of others when they pose a direct threat...but as far as I can tell it leaves what is a 'direct threat' up for interpretation. Is it a threat to religion, property, personal life etc? That's for you to decide apparently.

This was one of the major reasons for me leaving the faith of Islam. I found it to be extremely ambiguous about really important concepts of faith, and nobody I talked to was able to explain it to me in a way that made sense ...that and me starting my anti-psychotic a few years ago that made a HUGE difference lol

[Marsellus Wallace]

it leaves what is a 'direct threat' up for interpretation.

well said

[Khansins]

In Islam as I had said before , taking life of someone else whatsoever just on the basis of opposing beliefs is considered 'haram' ( An Arabic word implies prohibited). For such a person , Allah has promised extreme punishment in Hell or the Hereafter. Our Holy Prophet had to interact with people of all types of beliefs. This included Atheists , Agnostics and Infidels of all kinds. So he adopted a policy of compassion and affection towards all disbelievers and changed their rigid hearts by convincing them humbly. He never took the life of even one person in his life. Moreover , Even his enemy who wanted to assassinate him , who wanted to poison him and the one who killed his uncle was forgiven was by him. Then who we are to take someone's life ?? 
Here the example of Conquest of Makkah must be mentioned. Abu Safyan , who was an infidel and irritated Muhammad (pbuh) was standing before him and was at his full disposal. Muhammad (S.A.W) announced that Abu Safyan will be forgiven and whoever took refuge in his house will be forgiven. Such an example of forgiveness is unparalleled in history.


The purpose of telling you all this is to let you know that Islam is a universal religion. It was sent for the whole humanity not for one creed or community. It asks us to bind together with non Muslims peacefully in the society and preach them the true way.But if they don’t accept to embrace Islam , we have no right on their lives whatsoever. Only if they engage in a war with us are we ordered to 'defend' ourselves.

[tor]

In Islam as I had said before , taking life of someone else whatsoever just on the basis of opposing beliefs is considered 'haram' ( An Arabic word implies prohibited). For such a person , Allah has promised extreme punishment in Hell or the Hereafter. Our Holy Prophet had to interact with people of all types of beliefs. This included Atheists , Agnostics and Infidels of all kinds. So he adopted a policy of compassion and affection towards all disbelievers and changed their rigid hearts by convincing them humbly. He never took the life of even one person in his life. Moreover , Even his enemy who wanted to assassinate him , who wanted to poison him and the one who killed his uncle was forgiven was by him. Then who we are to take someone's life ?? 
Here the example of Conquest of Makkah must be mentioned. Abu Safyan , who was an infidel and irritated Muhammad (pbuh) was standing before him and was at his full disposal. Muhammad (S.A.W) announced that Abu Safyan will be forgiven and whoever took refuge in his house will be forgiven. Such an example of forgiveness is unparalleled in history.


The purpose of telling you all this is to let you know that Islam is a universal religion. It was sent for the whole humanity not for one creed or community. It asks us to bind together with non Muslims peacefully in the society and preach them the true way.But if they don’t accept to embrace Islam , we have no right on their lives whatsoever. Only if they engage in a war with us are we ordered to 'defend' ourselves.

Might be a little bit off topic but what happens to atheists when they die?

[Khansins]

Tor ! Please elaborate a little on your question. Then I would love to answer it. In what circumstances you mean ?

Anyway. In Islam , the blood and belongings of the other brother are sacred more than our Holy Kabah.

What gives you permission to kill me?

You dont understand. I meant that your blood is sacred for me. I have no right to take your life. Even the most sacred of places for us .. Holy Kabaah is less sacred than your blood for me.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

The purpose of telling you all this is to let you know that Islam is a universal religion. It was sent for the whole humanity not for one creed or community. It asks us to bind together with non Muslims peacefully in the society and preach them the true way.But if they don’t accept to embrace Islam , we have no right on their lives whatsoever. Only if they engage in a war with us are we ordered to 'defend' ourselves.

How about not preaching anything, and leaving everyone who doesn't espouse your religion the hell alone?