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DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
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 (March 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Chas Wrote: And your descriptions of what your god can do are indistinguishable from magic. Just out of curiosity, what is your, explanation or belief on how the universe was created? This question is for everyone willing to go on record.  (March 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(March 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Chas Wrote: And your descriptions of what your god can do are indistinguishable from magic. For the record: I don't know how the universe began. Or if it even had a beginning. I do know that the rational course of action from there is to investigate and ask questions rather than just make up an answer and call it good.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<--- (March 27, 2014 at 7:32 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: For the record: I don't know how the universe began. Or if it even had a beginning. I do know that the rational course of action from there is to investigate and ask questions rather than just make up an answer and call it good. That's the dilemma isn't it? Any explanation of the origin of the universe will not be rational, you're just going to have to accept that a supernatural event took place at some point. I find it curious however that you state how you don't know how the universe was created, but somehow are quite certain that it wasn't God. How can you begin to dispute something if you have no basis on which to form your argument? If you have no peticular belief or theory on the creation of the universe then you'd have to take a neutral stance because you "don't know".  (March 27, 2014 at 8:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(March 27, 2014 at 7:32 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: For the record: I don't know how the universe began. Or if it even had a beginning. I do know that the rational course of action from there is to investigate and ask questions rather than just make up an answer and call it good. You are not being logical. "I don't know" is the only rational answer. We have good evidence that something like the Big Bang occurred, we have no evidence of multiverses or gods. I don't believe any of the explanations, but I only seriously consider the ones for which there is evidence. I also summarily dismiss the ones that are non-logical or contradictory such as a steady-state universe or one that involves a creator that is eternal.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method. (March 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Chas Wrote: You are not being logical. "I don't know" is the only rational answer. But you stated (March 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Chas Wrote: And your descriptions of what your god can do are indistinguishable from magic. It seems to me that the "big bang" falls under that definition. So if you agree with the "big bang" theory (and it sounds like you lean in that direction) then explain how the universe creating itself out of nothing is not as ridiculous or as "magical" as God doing it?  (March 27, 2014 at 8:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(March 27, 2014 at 7:32 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: For the record: I don't know how the universe began. Or if it even had a beginning. I do know that the rational course of action from there is to investigate and ask questions rather than just make up an answer and call it good. Can u define a god?  (March 27, 2014 at 8:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It seems to me that the "big bang" falls under that definition. So if you agree with the "big bang" theory (and it sounds like you lean in that direction) then explain how the universe creating itself out of nothing is not as ridiculous or as "magical" as God doing it? Okay. You convinced me. Now how do we get from deism (universe created by a deity), to your god? Unless you are a deist yourself.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html (March 27, 2014 at 8:56 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Can u define a god? God simply means "object of worship" which is why in the beginning, God was not "God" but was called "Elohim" or self existing one. As far as definition goes, I would have a much better chance at defining the universe than God (Is the creation greater than the creator?). Which is why I choose to accept it by faith. I don't understand why the word "faith" so irksome to so many of you when you yourselves acknowledge that you can provide no answers. (March 27, 2014 at 9:01 pm)Chad32 Wrote: convinced me. Now how do we get from deism (universe created by a deity), to your god? Unless you are a deist yourself. I'm not sure I understand the question.  RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
March 27, 2014 at 10:11 pm
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(March 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Chas Wrote:(March 27, 2014 at 8:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: That's the dilemma isn't it? Any explanation of the origin of the universe will not be rational, you're just going to have to accept that a supernatural event took place at some point. I find it curious however that you state how you don't know how the universe was created, but somehow are quite certain that it wasn't God. We have a hard time with ''I don't know,'' or the term ''uncaused.'' The other part to this is, how plausible can the idea of a god actually existing be, if there are a myriad of religions to ''choose'' from, that all seem to contradict one another? That's why I didn't leave Christianity and jump to another religion. It wasn't only Christianity that I had an issue with, it was all religion. I never understood why someone leaves Islam and then moves to Christianity, or vice versa. It's like 'shopping for a god.'  RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
March 28, 2014 at 12:14 am
(This post was last modified: March 28, 2014 at 12:15 am by Godscreated.)
(March 27, 2014 at 6:09 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(March 27, 2014 at 5:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: The sea grass could have lived through the flood. Of coarse I know that. You however do not know the conditions any more than I do, I said it was possible and apparently it survived. GC (March 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Chas Wrote:(March 27, 2014 at 5:33 am)Godschild Wrote: @ Chas, I did define kinds, you should pay attention to what you read. You sir are now being ridiculous.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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