Is Free Will an illusion or not?

[Cinjin]

Nobody is going to that because doing that would be completely pointless.

Just as arguing with somebody like you who thinks X is true because you like it more and when presented with anything that disproves truth of X you still think X is true because you like it. It's like talking to a fucking wall.

Repetitive much?

[tor]

Just as arguing with somebody like you who thinks X is true because you like it more and when presented with anything that disproves truth of X you still think X is true because you like it. It's like talking to a fucking wall.

Repetitive much?

Sometimes it's necessary.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

Just as arguing with somebody like you who thinks X is true because you like it more and when presented with anything that disproves truth of X you still think X is true because you like it. It's like talking to a fucking brick wall.

Wait. Do you now understand that our entire interaction on this site has been pointless? OMG THAT WOULD BE PROGRESS

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Sometimes it's necessary.

NOPE

[tor]

Wait. Do you now understand that our entire interaction on this site has been pointless? OMG THAT WOULD BE PROGRESS

Yeah it also would be progress if you opened your eyes instead of going "la la la la I'm right and I don't know why"

Just make sure when you say somebody is OBJECTIVELY wrong about something you got something to back that shit up with. Not just "I'm right because I say so"

[Cinjin]

Wait. Do you now understand that our entire interaction on this site has been pointless? OMG THAT WOULD BE PROGRESS

Yeah it also would be progress if you opened your eyes instead of going "la la la la I'm right and I don't know why"

Says the guilty party. I mean seriously, that is ALL you do tor.

[tor]

Yeah it also would be progress if you opened your eyes instead of going "la la la la I'm right and I don't know why"

Says the guilty party. I mean seriously, that is ALL you do tor.

Innocent until proven guilty.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

Innocent until proven guilty.

True in the US legal system.

On the internet: Guilty until proven innocent.

[Whateverist]

http://youtu.be/Cs4Gj7JsET4

[Paranoidsam]

Last night I was reading about Sigmund Freud's ideas of the psyche... The three part model of Id, Ego and Superego.

They basically translate as "It", "I" and "Above I"... The id consists of the base instincts, and the superego conscience and empathy. The interesting one is the ego, it is what we consider to be our "selves" and it likes to be in control. But in reality the ego is pulled in both directions by basic instinct/desire and by a sense of morality.

It kind of proved to me that free will is at least partly an illusion... We can't consciously or willingly change or choose our nature, and are forever trying to strike a balance between these two conflicting sides. To live a normal existence requires all three... The id is what keeps you alive and out of danger, but uncontrolled can lead to destructive behaviour for both yourself and those around you. Conversely, the superego prevents the id from doing this, but uncontrolled can also lead to destructive behaviour.

I suppose humans have always been aware of these three parts, and have used religion to personify them. God being a personification of the superego and the Devil being the id... With the ego or self being caught in the middle.

Perhaps its the reason religion causes people to do such stupid things... Martyrdom, self harming, deliberate piety, etc. Because it asks people to completely suppress the id and allow the superego to take over.

Just my musings...

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

Hmm... is 'tor' an illusion or not?