The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
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The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
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*Christian asserts that he has evidence for the claims in the Bible
*Presents the evidence of......repeating the claims made in the Bible Totally didn't see that one coming.
freedomfromfallacy » I'm weighing my tears to see if the happy ones weigh the same as the sad ones.
 (April 13, 2014 at 3:22 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: The Bible is divinely inspired, reveals the truth of Christ as the Son of God, and it's message is consistent through out, and its prophesies come true. You didn't say what denomination you are. It would be of great help for this discussion if you told me. I could then look it up and know what teachings you follow. You're also ignoring the history of how the belief in the Trinity was established. Trinity History Are you a Catholic? If not, why do you reject Catholicism while believing in a doctrine established by the Catholics?  Where are the snake and mushroom smilies? (April 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: If God is omnipresent, which He is, He can be everywhere at once.But he wasn't in the garden when Eve and Adam ate of the forbidden fruit. Nor was he aware of what had happened, having to question the pair in order to learn of their transgression. In fact, he couldn't even find them: Genesis 3:8-11 Wrote:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould (April 13, 2014 at 3:22 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: The Bible is divinely inspired, reveals the truth of Christ as the Son of God, and it's message is consistent through out, and its prophesies come true. The Nazis were also kind-hearted people. No, really, I promise you, everybody just misunderstands them.
freedomfromfallacy » I'm weighing my tears to see if the happy ones weigh the same as the sad ones.
 (April 13, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:(April 13, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Beccs Wrote: It's written by men, is contradictory throughout, and vague prophecies can be interpreted in a wide variety of ways. Bullshit. Written by men, period. Just like the Koran and Reg Vedas. Comic books written by humans reflecting their own social norms and superstitions of the times they lived in. You will NOT find any modern words, modern dates, or modern technological words in that comic book. You will not find Obama's name or Hitler's name or Bin Ladin's name. You will not find the term "DNA" or "Cell pone". You will not find the winner of last year's Superbowl winner in it. That stupid comic book doesn't even get science right. It creates the earth in 6 days when science KNOWS it is 4 billion years old. It has adult women popping out of a man's rib. It treats the sun and moon as separate sources of light. The only thing that book predicts is YOUR gullibility. People of other religions try to pull the same "prophecy" garbage too. It doesn't wash with me when they pull it and it won't work when you pull it either. You might as well be arguing the Oracle of Oedipus was a real prophet and it would still amount to the same bullshit.  (April 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: If God is omnipresent, which He is, He can be everywhere at once. He is not finite as we are. He transcends space and time. Yet, He has designated certain places for particular functions or being places of significance where he can commune with us. So, what you're saying is that all those verses said that god dwells in Zion, when what they actually meant was that god doesn't dwell in Zion at all, he dwells in everywhere?  Not to mention, I'm sure you can solve all those contradictions if you're willing to settle for this kind of "he's magic, and therefore it's okay," line of reasoning, but that doesn't mean those answers are at all truthful or satisfying.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects! (April 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(April 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: If God is omnipresent, which He is, He can be everywhere at once. He is not finite as we are. He transcends space and time. Yet, He has designated certain places for particular functions or being places of significance where he can commune with us. Anything is possible when you mentally play Dungeons and Dragons.  (April 13, 2014 at 4:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(April 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So, what you're saying is that all those verses said that god dwells in Zion, when what they actually meant was that god doesn't dwell in Zion at all, he dwells in everywhere? All hail the Great Dungeon Master in the sky. Now, roll D20 to make a save vs incredulity. 
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" 
A contradiction is comprised of two or more pieces of information that incompatible and mutually exclusive, such that, if one is true, the other must be false and visa versa. Your claim is that the Bible does not contain any contradictions. If we can provide one counter example then the claim is false.
Right from the beginning: Genesis chapter 1 -- god made plants and animals before it made man and woman at the same time. Genesis chapter 2 -- god made man before plants and animals then made woman from one of man's ribs. These are two different pieces of information and they are incompatible, mutually exclusive, such that if Gen. 1 is true, the the second chapter is wrong. No excuses, no word games, no ad hominems. The first two chapters of Genesis are contradictory. The claim, that there are no contradictions in the Bible is false. No excuses -- the claim is wrong. Repeating that claim is what we call a lie.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- don't pollute it with bullshit.
Oh, wait. I bet you aren't reading it in the proper "context."
(The proper "context" for that one is to shove your own head up your ass and read it by candlelight.) They always have excuses. That's what apologetics is all about. |
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The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
