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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 16, 2014 at 10:54 pm
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(April 16, 2014 at 6:05 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Rev - The other day my son said, "Mormonism is nothing but a bastardization of Christianity."
And I replied, "And Christianity is nothing but a bastardization of Judaism."
And Islam is a mishmash of Judaism and Christianity and probably pagan Arabic nonsense.
Who better than the people (the Jews), who wrote the shit down, who devoted lifetimes to studying that crap -- who better to decide if the Messiah criteria had been met?
Jesus was just a very naughty boy. Very naughty indeed.
See how it works Rev?
I don't follow your line of reasoning.
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Consider him mocked.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You are right, science is not based on faith but on facts. Christianity is based on faith. That is why it is a bit silly to keep insisting that Christian provides facts in order for you to believe. You do not have faith there is a God, I do. I believe what science has to say except for the things it just can't prove. Like I said before, science can not answer every question.
It's not silly to insist that Christians provide facts in order to believe. After all, even your faith has to be based upon some facts.
If you're really concerned about our souls, you'll help us. And since you refuse to give us a reason to believe, how about you elaborate on what has led you to believe?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm
(April 16, 2014 at 9:19 pm)Polaris Wrote: (April 16, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: That's odd. I feel safer around people who don't need instructions like "don't murder," "don't steal," and "don't bang your neighbor's wife" with the threat of eternal punishment as a consequence.
But given that the Bible and God himself repeatedly endorses and instructs God's followers to sack a city, kill all the children and rape the women, why do you think it is we don't see Christians doing more of that?
Interestingly, many criminals and most serial killers are Christian.
The misery of prisons does wonders for turning people to religion. Prison is a gold-mine for missionaries.
Sometimes it takes a person to get to the end of themselves or even on their deathbed to soften their heart enough to receive Christ.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 16, 2014 at 11:08 pm
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You are right, science is not based on faith but on facts. Christianity is based on faith. That is why it is a bit silly to keep insisting that Christian provides facts in order for you to believe.
Woo woo, whoa: so when asked for some evidence for your beliefs, your answer is to shake your head and say "silly atheist, christianity isn't based on facts!" and then act like I'm being silly?
You have this thing called facts that means "the basis of things that are real," and yet you somehow think that just asserting that your religion doesn't concern itself with facts means that it now doesn't need any evidence in order to be real? How bizarre is that?
Just saying that a given thing isn't based in evidence doesn't absolve it of the need for evidence, if it wants to be a rational thing, dude.
Quote: You do not have faith there is a God, I do. I believe what science has to say except for the things it just can't prove. Like I said before, science can not answer every question.
How do you know what questions science can't answer? And how do you reconcile this claim that you believe what science says when I've seen you disbelieving the answers science gives to things that it can prove, like evolution?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 16, 2014 at 11:18 pm
(April 16, 2014 at 6:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (April 16, 2014 at 6:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I mock your fucking god constantly. Big deal.
I'm telling on you. Thor will be very angry when he finds out.
Oh, no. I wouldn't fuck with Thor. He isn't one of these 'turn the other cheek' pansies.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 16, 2014 at 11:18 pm
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I think I've figured it out. He is only capable of responding to the very last line in any post. Make it count, people!
(April 16, 2014 at 10:44 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 16, 2014 at 9:19 pm)Polaris Wrote: The misery of prisons does wonders for turning people to religion. Prison is a gold-mine for missionaries. not true (April 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 16, 2014 at 9:19 pm)Polaris Wrote: The misery of prisons does wonders for turning people to religion. Prison is a gold-mine for missionaries. Sometimes it takes a person to get to the end of themselves or even on their deathbed to soften their heart enough to receive Christ.
Which one is it?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 12:12 am
(April 16, 2014 at 11:18 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I think I've figured it out. He is only capable of responding to the very last line in any post. Make it count, people!
(April 16, 2014 at 10:44 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: not true (April 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Sometimes it takes a person to get to the end of themselves or even on their deathbed to soften their heart enough to receive Christ.
Which one is it?
Your earlier statements
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 7:11 am
(March 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We are reminded of this event every day. Not a day goes by where you don't hear His name mentioned, hear a song praising Him, drive by a church, see someone wearing a cross, or hear a verse from the Bible.
Jesus predicted His death and resurrection while He was alive. He tomb was empty on three days after His death. He appeared to His disciples. These men's lives were changed and God used them to change the world. Paul and 500 others have seen the risen Christ. The early church grew greatly even with terrible persecution speaks of the power of this Truth. Greatest evidence is the transformation of millions of lives of born again believers.
This is kind of easy to refute:
- All 3 Synoptic Gospels Give a Different View of This Tomb Scene and none of them line up properly.
- John does not even mention this scene.
- People Rising from the Dead? For what purpose? Zombies? Where did they go? What did they see? Why is more information not documented about this extraordinary event.
- 500 People wow that's less people than some churches so now we can prove that its completely true.
- Paul - Dont get me started on him - He In my opinion is the Deciever!
Lastly can I ask you something - Suppose I did want to turn to Christ Again! How could I do so?
Which version of the Bible is Correct - You must be the only person in the world who knows this?! Perhaps you can re-write the Original Words for us?
Sure as heck NT Scholars cant do it and they study the thing! All you have 'Rev' is copies upon copies made my people who were mostly illiterate.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 8:50 am
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You are right, science is not based on faith but on facts. Christianity is based on faith. That is why it is a bit silly to keep insisting that Christian provides facts in order for you to believe. You do not have faith there is a God, I do. I believe what science has to say except for the things it just can't prove. Like I said before, science can not answer every question.
But if what you said is true, then Christianity cannot answer any question.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 8:53 am
But she just admitted being a Diest / Agnostic. I dont deny a God exists and I dont mind filling in science gaps however what I do find problematic is the fact that these Gods seam to only stay where their tribes are.
If you notice God only stayed with Israelites / Why not Chineese at least two seperate cultures could co-oberate eachothers story.
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