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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 10:36 am
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2014 at 10:41 am by Aractus.)
(April 16, 2014 at 8:33 am)Kayenneh Wrote: I don't know Aractus, but to me Registration Agreement and Forum Rules are two completely different concepts. As a member of the staff I do not oppose the idea to make the rules more accessible to newbies, but the real no-brainer here is a) read through the description of the subforums before posting and b) the Site Specific subforum is at the top of the page, it's kinda hard to miss and c) there's another link to the rules in the top right hand corner. I'm sorry, but it's hard to help inattentive and ignorant idiots. There's no link in the top left when you aren't signed in. There's no indication that these are different from the registration agreement until you click it. It isn't intuitive at all. Why does the registration agreement page say "by continuing with the sign up process you agree to the above rules" instead of "the above registration agreement"?
Also the Privacy Policy should be in the registration agreement and the page isn't very easy to find either, it should probably be in the footer or header.
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Re: RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 10:43 am
(April 16, 2014 at 8:28 am)whateverist Wrote: I suppose this is a no-brainer as you say but frankly I probably didn't read the rules in the agreement very carefully before signing up. And I would never have been interested to read through that long list of rules if it had been made available before signing up. I doubt if I'm the only one who assumes they can just be themselves and if that doesn't cut it they can kick my ass out. Normal civility should carry the day.
I finally agree with this man on something.
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 10:58 am
I agree that users should be able to (possibly forced to) see the rules and the privacy policy before proceeding with their registration.
Perhaps it would be far easier to simply add the two links (to the rules and to the privacy policy) to the agreement they see at registration time and disable the continue button until both those links have been pressed.... [oh the mess that would ensue!  ]
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 11:02 am
One forum's rules are basically the same as another, except in the case of strictly theistic forums whereby their rules are nonsensical and tyrannical, and I have simply made it a habit of contacting a moderator in the case of not being sure whether I should post something.
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 11:26 am
(April 16, 2014 at 10:36 am)Aractus Wrote: There's no link in the top left when you aren't signed in.
Pray tell, who signs up with the intent of posting, without signing in? Besides, the subforum for the rules is readily available for members and non-members alike.
Quote:There's no indication that these are different from the registration agreement until you click it. It isn't intuitive at all.
It's not? Huh, to me it was very clear the day I signed up.
Quote:Why does the registration agreement page say "by continuing with the sign up process you agree to the above rules" instead of "the above registration agreement"?
If you're that nitpicky, I'm sure that it can also be changed. But in case you're unfamiliar with synonyms, this would be an example. The rules in this case obviously point to the legal stuff you just read through (or did you?), and if you sign it, you will adhere to those above. The specific rules for these forums (as in atheistforums.org), are clarifications on how we wish to run this place, but it's not legally binding and not ubiquitous around the internet, unlike the sign up agreement.
Quote:Also the Privacy Policy should be in the registration agreement and the page isn't very easy to find either, it should probably be in the footer or header.
Noted.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 11:32 am
I just registered, and somewhere along the way there was a link to the rules proper. I wasn't being extremely diligent, but I ran into the link and read the rules. Just wish I could remember exactly where...
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 4:48 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2014 at 4:49 pm by LastPoet.)
Its more of an admin thing. Us moderators are barred from such awsome powers  . But duly noted.
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 8:21 pm
(April 16, 2014 at 11:26 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Quote:There's no indication that these are different from the registration agreement until you click it. It isn't intuitive at all.
It's not? Huh, to me it was very clear the day I signed up. It might be clear to you and to others, but it isn't clear to everyone. I don't think it's intuitive.
Quote:Quote:Why does the registration agreement page say "by continuing with the sign up process you agree to the above rules" instead of "the above registration agreement"?
If you're that nitpicky, I'm sure that it can also be changed. But in case you're unfamiliar with synonyms, this would be an example. The rules in this case obviously point to the legal stuff you just read through (or did you?), and if you sign it, you will adhere to those above. The specific rules for these forums (as in atheistforums.org), are clarifications on how we wish to run this place, but it's not legally binding and not ubiquitous around the internet, unlike the sign up agreement.
Well there's still no reason why there can't be links at the time of sign up to say "hey please take a chance to read the forum rules and privacy policy prior to posting on the forums".
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm
I don't think it's particularly intuitive either. Perhaps one of the admins can look into it.
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RE: just noticed the rules
April 17, 2014 at 7:18 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2014 at 7:22 pm by Napoléon.)
How the fuck does a registration agreement = forum rules?
Personally I think it's pretty clear. Not only is there an actual link right there at the top right of the screen saying "RULES" but there's an entire sub-forum dedicated to rules and information. I think putting in links at registration makes sense and we probably should of done it before now, but honestly it's not that hard to locate this shit.
*edit* I will concede however that the wording of the initial registration agreement does use the term 'rules' so I can see the confusion. Perhaps that should be changed as well?
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