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Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(May 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 10:35 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Your zealous nature exacerbates your self-importance. It is anything but "put aside", and it is not "for the good of all" (which is actually a phrase that proves you have a serious air of self-importance).

Wrong, we are changed for God's work not our's and what kind of person does it take to tell someone else what they think and are, only one who believes thy are self important.

GC

(May 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: [Image: 2ec7bd55f2b3ffd161ad8a775f430e118655c377...176955.jpg]

They will be rejoicing in heaven for all eternity with God, while all those who reject Christ will be enduring their own self made torment.

GC

Except that your
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Is full of holes, and you don't seem to give a shit about the torment anyone is suffering in the here and now, are ignoring it by telling more fairytales, and threatening anyone who DOES show empathy for people suffering RIGHT NOW with eternal damnation.

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You don't care if other people suffer, stop pretending you do, and stop making threats by proxy. No one believes the invisible sky man is coming to beat them up but you.
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RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(May 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: [Image: 2ec7bd55f2b3ffd161ad8a775f430e118655c377...176955.jpg]
They will be rejoicing in heaven for all eternity with God, while all those who reject Christ will be enduring their own self made torment.
But that implies that you believe that it's better to die as a young child (earning a guaranteed spot in heaven with god) than to grow up and live out your life (and risk hell). Doesn't that imply that it's the Christian who sees this life as worthless or futile, and not the atheist?
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His god allows him to get a free pass on worrying about the sufferings of his fellow man. It's basically like saying they're better off dead anyway. Wouldn't they actually be better off with warm clothing and a belly full of food?
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(May 8, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 9:16 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Do you truly believe you live your live according to that philosophy?

Your belief system is fundamentally predicated on the idea that you have to turn to Christ if you want to save your ass from turning on a spit in hell. This 'salvation' is, according to some of you, the entire reason there is a universe. So let's have some integrity and admit that Christianity is, at its heart, a naked expression of that self-interest philosophy. If it wasn't, Christian dogma would have no risk/reward balance. Or very many adherents.

I get it. You think Christianity isn't the answer. Then step up and answer the questions about your beliefs?

1) What is your highest hope?

2) Do you live your life as if determinism was true?

(May 8, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 9:16 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Do you truly believe you live your live according to that philosophy?

Do you mean the philosophy that we are slaves to our neurochemical desires? That's not a philosophy. That's neuroscience.

Are you then embracing the idea that you are a slave according to science?
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(May 9, 2014 at 11:57 am)ChadWooters Wrote: 2) Do you live your life as if determinism was true?

Here's my question: why do you think your vision of how a deterministic universe should feel is the right one?
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(May 9, 2014 at 12:02 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(May 9, 2014 at 11:57 am)ChadWooters Wrote: 2) Do you live your life as if determinism was true?

Here's my question: why do you think your vision of how a deterministic universe should feel is the right one?
Answer the question. You can clarify your vision in your answer.

And don't forget to state your highest hope. That shouldn't be to hard for someone who thinks atheistic worldviews allow for meaning and purpose.
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RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(May 9, 2014 at 11:57 am)ChadWooters Wrote: 1) What is your highest hope?

That theists cease adhering to fallible faith as though it is a veritable truth which should be preferred over reality.
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Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(May 9, 2014 at 12:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 9, 2014 at 12:02 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Here's my question: why do you think your vision of how a deterministic universe should feel is the right one?
Answer the question. You can clarify your vision in your answer.

And don't forget to state your highest hope. That shouldn't be to hard for someone who thinks atheistic worldviews allow for meaning and purpose.

It's a nonsensical question, based on the assumption that one must have one penultimate purpose that assigns meaning to the rest of their life.

Meaning and purpose doesn't simply evaporate without an ultimate eternal purpose, anymore than someone's life ceases to have any meaning or purpose if they don't get into their college of choice, or follow the career path their parents intended for them.

A purpose assigned to an individual by a group other than that person is artificial, and saying the individual cannot find purpose or meaning in daily life because they don't have an ultimate aim is just silly.
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(May 9, 2014 at 11:57 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Are you then embracing the idea that you are a slave according to science?

I'm saying that we're slaves to our biological makeup, and much of what we feel to be the self is an illusion based on brain structure. Given the proper knowledge and technolgy, I could open up your skull and rearrange your brain to turn you into a different person with a completely different personality. We know this from our study of brain injuries.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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(May 9, 2014 at 11:57 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Your belief system is fundamentally predicated on the idea that you have to turn to Christ if you want to save your ass from turning on a spit in hell. This 'salvation' is, according to some of you, the entire reason there is a universe. So let's have some integrity and admit that Christianity is, at its heart, a naked expression of that self-interest philosophy. If it wasn't, Christian dogma would have no risk/reward balance. Or very many adherents.

I get it. You think Christianity isn't the answer. Then step up and answer the questions about your beliefs?

1) What is your highest hope?



The problem with the claim of morality of Christians is that there is NO support for xtians being more moral or ethical than anyone else. If you actually read the bible - from cover to cover - the morality is a cut and paste phenomena that ignores the truly horrid and immoral things that the religous and the god supposedly did in the stories.

And the treatment of women - in particular - is abysmal in the ancient religions of the mid east - from Judaism to Islam to xtianity.

2) Do you live your life as if determinism was true?

(May 8, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Do you mean the philosophy that we are slaves to our neurochemical desires? That's not a philosophy. That's neuroscience.

Are you then embracing the idea that you are a slave according to science?
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