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Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 20, 2014 at 4:16 pm
"Oh, and was it Scientologists who flew planes into the World Trade Center?
Of course not. We all know that. Scientology has never attempted to covert anyone by force."
From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-sh...27878.html
Well if by force you don't include conscription of minors. Some are lured into making multi-generational contracts before the age of consent. That makes ever getting out harder for those unfortunate enough to be born into this cult. Scientology deserves to be ridiculed frequently and forcefully at every opportunity. This cult is undeserving of our tolerance.
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 20, 2014 at 5:24 pm
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2014 at 5:25 pm by Tiberius.)
From the article:
Quote:"Cult" charges against Scientology often stem from a cursory analysis of their beliefs about aliens, Thetans, and all that.
No they don't. If the author had done even one iota of research into the "cult" charges, he would have understood that they stem from the shit like the signing of billion year contracts, the oppression of members of the "Sea Org", the policy of "disconnection" from family members not in Scientology, and the disappearances and murders of Scientology members who showed signs of disobedience or tried to escape. Y'know, the kind of behaviour you only find in cults...
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 20, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Hear, hear! You'd think theists of every stripe would want to root this plague out of existence as much as we do.
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 20, 2014 at 5:50 pm
Motherfucking. I'm all for tolerance but this... 
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 20, 2014 at 9:54 pm
That was one of the biggest piles of shit I've ever read. Even just the slightest bit of research into the claims of ex-Scientologists shows that criticism of Scientology is a result of much more than it being based upon silly beliefs. It creates an isolated culture of manipulation and intimidation, in which many people are punished by being forced into servitude. There have also been caims that the top dog is not a stranger to using physical violence as a means to an end.
I think this was just a case of this guy attempting to appear tolerant by trying to make others look unjustifiably intolerant. Just a few minutes of research would have prevented this guys from putting his foot in his mouth.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 21, 2014 at 12:23 am
(April 20, 2014 at 5:24 pm)Tiberius Wrote: No they don't. If the author had done even one iota of research into the "cult" charges, he would have understood that they stem from the shit like the signing of billion year contracts, the oppression of members of the "Sea Org", the policy of "disconnection" from family members not in Scientology, and the disappearances and murders of Scientology members who showed signs of disobedience or tried to escape. Y'know, the kind of behaviour you only find in cults... Or how about telling people to ignore advice given by medical doctors? There are three GP's in my congregation and I'm sure if someone from the congregation asked them about a medical matter they'd probably offer to say a quick prayer in addition to providing proper medical advice (in fact I know of this happening at least once when one parishioner collapsed and had to be taken to the hospital while at a church service - one of the physicians from our parish gave them immediate medical assistance before the ambulance arrived and went with him to the hospital - I think the priest is the one who said the prayer, but it could well have been the physician and it wouldn't have changed the level of medical expertise), but no Christian would tell someone to ignore the advice of their doctor because it "conflicts with beliefs".
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 21, 2014 at 12:34 am
Scientology makes all other religions look bad.
And that's about the only thing positive I can think of . . .
besides LRH admitting the whole thing was a scam to make money, which means it's not a religion at all and therefore falls out of the continuum of things discussed here ?
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 21, 2014 at 12:38 am
(April 21, 2014 at 12:34 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Scientology makes all other religions look bad.
And that's about the only thing positive I can think of . . .
besides LRH admitting the whole thing was a scam to make money, which means it's not a religion at all and therefore falls out of the continuum of things discussed here ?
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But still high on the list of things to be disgusted by which fly the flag of religion.
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 21, 2014 at 4:57 am
(This post was last modified: April 21, 2014 at 5:00 am by Jacob(smooth).)
(April 21, 2014 at 12:23 am)Aractus Wrote: (April 20, 2014 at 5:24 pm)Tiberius Wrote: No they don't. If the author had done even one iota of research into the "cult" charges, he would have understood that they stem from the shit like the signing of billion year contracts, the oppression of members of the "Sea Org", the policy of "disconnection" from family members not in Scientology, and the disappearances and murders of Scientology members who showed signs of disobedience or tried to escape. Y'know, the kind of behaviour you only find in cults... Or how about telling people to ignore advice given by medical doctors? There are three GP's in my congregation and I'm sure if someone from the congregation asked them about a medical matter they'd probably offer to say a quick prayer in addition to providing proper medical advice (in fact I know of this happening at least once when one parishioner collapsed and had to be taken to the hospital while at a church service - one of the physicians from our parish gave them immediate medical assistance before the ambulance arrived and went with him to the hospital - I think the priest is the one who said the prayer, but it could well have been the physician and it wouldn't have changed the level of medical expertise), but no Christian would tell someone to ignore the advice of their doctor because it "conflicts with beliefs".
Actually, I hate to say it, but the above is not true. I had a long argument on a christian forum with someone who swore up and down that smoking was safe and that sunSCREEN, not sun, caused skin cancer. The reason given was that God would not cause the sun, or a natural product, to cause cancer when he put all those things there for us to use. Scary but true.
I can remember a patient with a diabetic ulcer who who routinely take off her dressings as an act of faith, on the basis that when you pray for healing you have to have faith and trust that God will do it for you and you can't do that by "spreading your bets".
They walk among us. Although in the above example, not for very long  .
And of course, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8483622
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Through strength, I gain power.
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RE: Scientology defended .. are you kidding me?
April 21, 2014 at 5:01 am
Perhaps I should have said "no true Christian" or better yet "no Christian qualified on the subject at hand"?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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