Argument #1: Transitional Fossils

[Anomalocaris]

Trilobites are an example of an organism appearing suddenly in the fossil record void of any evidence of transitions. Furthermore, trilobites have an organized complexity comparable to modern day invertebrates.

If more primitive ancesters of trilobites were found some time in the future, dating to before when you and your ilk thought there was a "sudden appearence", would you then admit transitional form exists and the biblical creation thereby proven to be bullshit?

If not, then how ingenuous can be possibly be in raising these objections?

[SteelCurtain]

Oh, and keep in mind, Rev, that you promised to actually engage in these threads. If you care to refute any of these statements, please provide more than one liners and SOURCES!

[Tonus]

The facts remain, fossils have been discovered to suddenly appear in the record without transition. This is what would be expected from intelligent design not macroevolution.

Not quite. What we would expect from the particular designer that you believe created it all is for all modern life forms to appear in exactly the same rock strata at the same time, or with very minor gaps (say... 24 hours). The fossil record most definitely does not show this.

[downbeatplumb]

Sea going mammals are a rather good example of how evolution can end up giving you a disadvantage because of the past route taken by your ancestors.

It is definitely a disadvantage for any creature that lives in the sea to not get its oxygen from the sea particularly when they some undertake epic dives and basically hold their breathe for 90 minutes. Any "intelligent designer" would have given sperm whales gills.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scien...nutes.html

[Heywood]

Trilobites are an example of an organism appearing suddenly in the fossil record void of any evidence of transitions. Furthermore, trilobites have an organized complexity comparable to modern day invertebrates.

When evolution occurs, the rate at which a form changes is not constant. Sometimes changes in the form occur very rapidly and sometimes they occur very slowly. Trilobites appeared when evolution "settled" on a particular form.

[Minimalist]

Wow! This Rev guy is even dumber than I originally thought.

Nah...I knew from the start.

[Anomalocaris]

Wow! This Rev guy is even dumber than I originally thought.

Nah...I knew from the start.

You can pretty reliably tell the degree of idiocy from the avatar. If the avatar consist of some air brushed fantasmgorical image presented with religious overtones, then right off the bat he is revealing himself to be pretty high on the idiocy scale.

[Minimalist]

True, Chuck. It's also a dead giveaway when they write "christian" under religious views.

[Anomalocaris]

True, Chuck. It's also a dead giveaway when they write "christian" under religious views.

Well, we should give awards proportional to achievement. Many are the christians whose idiocies are common, crude and earthly. In this one the idiocy has risen to be sublime and divine.

[Esquilax]

If a kind or basic type of animal over a long period of time has evolved into a different kind of basic type of animal, then it is reasonable to expect a plethora of transitional forms in the fossil record. However, this is not the case, rather, the fossil record shows the original diversity of animal and plant forms.

No, it doesn't.

Evolution models of the fossil record predict the following:
- wholesale transitions in organisms over time
- primitive forms evolving into complex forms
- gradual derivation of new organisms produced transitional forms

Hey, look what you see in that link I gave above! Rev, serious question: how much research did you do before you posted this thread? What sources did you look at? Can you link to them here?

Trilobites are an example of an organism appearing suddenly in the fossil record void of any evidence of transitions. Furthermore, trilobites have an organized complexity comparable to modern day invertebrates.

Well, hold on: what does that even mean? Trilobites just "appeared suddenly?" So, there was a point at which there was the first Trilobite fossil, and before that there weren't Trilobite fossils? That's not even much of a statement, because that's true of literally anything: there weren't any of any given thing before the first one. That doesn't mean that everything burst into existence from nothing.

Besides, I don't think you understand quite how rare the formation of fossils is: they don't just happen every time an organism dies, you know. And the further back we go, the lesser the chances of us finding anything at all; to make a leap between a rare event being rare and the process it depicts being untrue is just dishonest, especially when... well, you're not exactly expecting the same level of support for creation as you are for evolution, are you?

The facts remain, fossils have been discovered to suddenly appear in the record without transition. This is what would be expected from intelligent design not macroevolution.

That's total crap, but since you didn't bother to actually present any evidence of it, it's really hard to address. Maybe bring some sources to the table next time you post, so we've got something to go off of?

Incidentally, you know what we don't see in the fossil record? Every "kind" of animal appearing all together at the same layer, as your bible depicts as happening. There ain't no rabbits in the Trilobite layer, and according to you that's what we'd expect to see, right?