Argument #1: Transitional Fossils

[Jackalope]

Why do you call them conmen?

Because they're conning you and many others, perhaps? They're misrepresenting what science actually claims to people like you - and not so coincidentally, raking I'm some dough while they're at it. Have you seen what they charge for admission to their sham of a "museum"?

[Esquilax]

Why do you call them conmen? They have a Creation Museum and they will be building a Noah's Ark replica. I am very impressed with their findings.

Disney has a Land and a World, it doesn't mean that Mickey Mouse really exists, or that you'll find the little mermaid under the sea.

I call them conmen because their business is built on the back of falsehoods and deliberately deceptive practices. For starters, and I can't stress this enough, their website advertises that they will completely disregard all alternative views and will twist things to fit the one they've chosen; that doesn't sound like an objective scientific source to me, which is what they play themselves off as. Not to mention each and every one of their findings is completely, demonstrably false according to science, and you would know that if you went anywhere else to educate yourself, and yet they host those claims there up until the point that the general public finds them so ridiculous that it's embarrassing for them to keep espousing them.

That is the behavior of conmen, not a group that's interested in the truth, no matter what it happens to be.

[Revelation777]

I have 6 more arguments, thanks for some ideas.

Are the next six also going to be blatant falsehoods?

Seriously, Rev, you appear to be a nice guy, but someone's been selling you lies.

I hope I get the chance but I have a feeling I'm about to be lynched.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Let's go over this again:
<God exists> + <God has always existed> + <God is all powerful> + <God created the universe> each have no evidence, yet each premise is required for a theist or deist viewpoint.

<Abiogenesis might be how life originated> has evidence behind it.

How are these two "interchangeable" by any stretch of the imagination?

You have a theory with evidence, and somehow have equated that to an unfounded assertion that there must be some sort of magical being, somewhere in the universe, that is empirically unverifiable, unfalsifiable (and therefore not scientific), and this magical being suddenly becomes an "alternative choice" to a well-founded theory with supporting evidence.

What is this, amateur hour?

It's the same as saying <lightening is an electrostatic discharge between charged clouds and the planet> or <Thor exists> <Thor is the God of Thunder and Lightning> therefore <Thor causes lighting> are interchangeable "theories."

What?

In the same vein: Either God exists, or I have a piece of lint in my pocket. I have a piece of lint in my pocket, therefore God does not exist.

Someone should write a mobile app where you can shake your device, and 2-3 random premises appear with a conclusion.

I guarantee you some of the Theists on this board would start copy-pasting arguments whenever they ended in "Therefore God"

You base your beliefs, and they are beliefs, on what you observe naturally.

[/quote] belief in observable natural phenomena are well-founded beliefs supported by empirical evidence. An example of a belief that is not:

God, is a supernatural being.

God, with less than the amount of evidence for unicorns existing, since we have Narwhal tusks that can at least to be claimed to be unicorn horns, and yet you assume God exists in the absence of evidence.

He created a natural

Unsupported claim.

world but there are also supernatural events that have occurred, are presently occurring,

Unsupported claims, show evidence of such events and their origin being supernatural.

and will occur.

So you also claim to know the future? Support? Waiting. Any specific predictions?

Just because you have not experienced any doesn't mean the supernatural doesn't exist.

I have several near death experiences, however do not have good reason to believe anything experienced was supernatural in nature.

Do you have anything to present to support your claims, or are we playing the unfounded assertion game?

If so: supernatural beings do not exist, underscored by a lack of evidence.

The absence of evidence does not constitute reason to believe a claim.

This can be demonstrated by your disbelief in unicorns and leprechauns.

No assertions about said supernatural beings should be accepted without evidence, as supported by your rational disbelief in unsubstantiated supernatural claims.

Thus, your supernatural claims are of equal merit, until proven otherwise, and you therefore ought to be equally credulous of any and all supernatural claims lacking evidence, especially those with supposed evidence.

[Revelation777]

Rev, you said prior to your Easter hiatus that you had seven arguments for us. Since #1 has clearly be demolished as effectively as a jellyfish in a cyclotron, would you care to move on to #2?

Boru

Who judges if that be the case?

[Rampant.A.I.]

Are the next six also going to be blatant falsehoods?

Seriously, Rev, you appear to be a nice guy, but someone's been selling you lies.

I hope I get the chance but I have a feeling I'm about to be lynched.

No lynching, just no special pleading. You seem like a nice guy to me as well, but have made some pretty outlandish claims, and thrown out some dubious sources in support of those claims.

This is less an attack on your person than it is on your claims, and if it has seemed otherwise, apologies.

[Revelation777]

Part of the problem is that you have been duped by some of the books you read. Time to wake up and smell the Truth.

Just fuck right off you dolt.

You honestly think anyone with half a brain is going to listen to the retarded nonsense you come out with?

The world doesn't care about you or your stupid nonsensical beliefs. I'm sure whatever version of god it is you worship is admiring the great job you're doing telling us heathens where to go. I mean, posting stuff that is demonstrably wrong is a sure fire way to win us over buddy!

Sorry you got offended.

[Bad Wolf]

Ha! Nice guy? More like a sheep!

[Revelation777]

Part of the problem is that you have been duped by some of the books you read. Time to wake up and smell the Truth.

WE have been duped?

At least I read books. By the looks of it, you don't. Except for one, which honestly doesn't count as something conducive to knowledge.

Since when is intelligence or knowledge correlated to the amount of books one reads?

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Rev, keep being a jerkoff Christian posting something and then not interacting.... see if anyone will bother responding, or if ur lucky even open the other 6 nonsense, unsupported threads that u say ur gonna post.. we can start treating u like some of the banned members. ........"all you are is dust in the wind".........

Do you see the amount of posts are on this thread? I already spent a couple hours trying to respond to posts and still like ten pages to go.

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Thank you for your recommendation. Make ya a deal, I'll read that and you read the Bible?

I've read the Bible. You're way behind the curve.

I'm glad you read it.

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ken hams personal soap bo Wrote:
Since there is much more prestige in finding an ancestor of man than an ancestor of living apes (or worse yet, merely an extinct ape), there is immense pressure on paleoanthropologists to declare almost any ape fossil to be a “hominid.” As a result, the living apes have pretty much been left to find their own ancestors.

Apes ARE hominds, you ignorant wretch.

Boru

Woops, he had a typo, that must mean his arguments are invalid. Not a good thing to have a grammatical error on an atheist board.

[Minimalist]

I am not an expert. Are you?

At detecting assholes? After five years on this board and seeing jesus freak after jesus freak spout the same old tired horseshit about their godboy I can practically smell them as soon as the sign in.