Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?

[theVOID]

No you dipshit. You won't consider the POV and laughingly then claim there is no argument. You are beyond pity.

Do you have a logical argument for the existence of God or not?

[Watson]

No, there isn't. There never will be. There shouldn't ever be.

[theVOID]

Thanks Watson, i finally got a straight answer

Take notice Fr0d0, that's how easy it is.

So Watson, if there is no evidence for the existence of God either logical or empirical then why do you believe in it?

[Watson]

First, my guess would be that fr0d0 doesn't give you a straight answer because he doesn't feel you'll listen or grasp exactly what he's saying. That's not a dig, I just wanted to try and flash insight into his view as well as my own, and as well as yours.

Second, evidence and logic are two seperate things, and evidence itself does not have to be either logical or empirical. Just because the being itself is illogical does not mean that there cannot be logical explanations for why you believe in it. The belief itself is a logical conclusion based on perceptions, but the being is something wholly different, something which cannot be explained through logic.

You see where I'm going with that, I hope? There are definitely things in this world which are illogical, and most definitely, God is not logical in His existance, His attributes, or His mannerisms. Belief in him, however, I believe that that is and can be, logical.

[theVOID]

First, my guess would be that fr0d0 doesn't give you a straight answer because he doesn't feel you'll listen or grasp exactly what he's saying. That's not a dig, I just wanted to try and flash insight into his view as well as my own, and as well as yours.

It was a yes/no question.

Besides, i am listening and trying to understand his position, but as soon as i ask why he holds the presuppositions he does and why it is reasonable to do so i get nothing but hot-air.

Second, evidence and logic are two seperate things, and evidence itself does not have to be either logical or empirical.

Yes, but Empirical and logical evidences are the types of evidence that are independent, repeatable, testable and therefore the only forms of evidence that can be confirmed, Anecdotal/Testimonial evidence is rather useless in this instance as there are too many contradictory claims based on this standard with no way of being able to discern between them, there is also the issue that anecdotal evidence is indistinguishable from delusion, hallucination and lies - There is simply no standard by which to differentiate true from false because on the issue of God we have both already ruled out Empirical and Logical evidence.

Just because the being itself is illogical does not mean that there cannot be logical explanations for why you believe in it.

It's not the being that is illogical if it exists, it is the arguments that support the existence of this being that are illogical, and if the arguments for a proposition are illogical then the you have failed to prove the proposition, regardless of whether or not it is true.

I'm sure you can rationalize your belief to yourself, but does your reasoning behind the conclusion hold up to examination?

The belief itself is a logical conclusion based on perceptions, but the being is something wholly different, something which cannot be explained through logic.

I am not asking whether or not you can explain God, i am asking if the reasons for your belief are logical.

You see where I'm going with that, I hope? There are definitely things in this world which are illogical, and most definitely, God is not logical in His existance, His attributes, or His mannerisms. Belief in him, however, I believe that that is and can be, logical.

So then what are your logical reasons for belief in God?

[tackattack]

[fr0d0]

Do you have a logical argument for the existence of God or not?

Tacky has answered as I always try to explain and you miss. The core requirement of belief is faith. Cogitating to and from that point is logical, but you will not understand belief (from that point) without considering the possibility of faith... something Evie, for example, refuses to do.

[Zen Badger]

Do you have a logical argument for the existence of God or not?

Tacky has answered as I always try to explain and you miss. The core requirement of belief is faith. Cogitating to and from that point is logical, but you will not understand belief (from that point) without considering the possibility of faith... something Evie, for example, refuses to do.

In other words,

No

[fr0d0]

For those that think in black & white - quite possibly Zen.

[Ace Otana]

In other words,

No

Thought so. God cannot be verified in any way and some how we are suppost to believe in it in order to see? That's not rational. No evidence = no case.
Also there happen to be many atheists who once had strong faith. People who believed with all their hearts and still end up seeing religion for what it is. A delusion.