Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?

[Autumnlicious]

Would you go to nut house and poke the inmates with a sharp stick? If not,don't tease poor Frodo.

Yes.

Fr0d0 can't make sense of god and explain it to EvF! Let's all laugh at him.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

[chatpilot]

fr0d0 gets an A in my book for trying to make sense of nonsense and giving that old college try.

[tackattack]

For any1 willing to ge back to the point instead of trashing each other look at me, I'm an answer to a post buried under 40 verbal vomitings

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

For any1 willing to ge back to the point instead of trashing each other look at me, I'm an answer to a post buried under 40 verbal vomitings

Pull yer head in ya flaming wowser,we're having fun.

You really don't get it do you? The entire point of internet forums is to have a place where people without lives may freely engage in mental masturbation and insult perfect strangers with impunity.

Not out fault if you missed out on your schadenfreude gene.

[tackattack]

It's not suprising that a much higher percentage of atheists have said gene than theists. I like to derive my pleasure from sex and other good things in life. Why don't you just go back to masturbating you® prick!

[Autumnlicious]

It's not suprising that a much higher percentage of atheists have said gene than theists. I like to derive my pleasure from sex and other good things in life. Why you just go back to masturbating you® prick!

I think that Christians have a higher incidence of the schadenfreude gene, by virtue of being an enormous group, and the ridiculous belief that they are "saved" and everyone else is going to eternal torment under another ridiculous belief in "damnation".

Seriously, it boggles the mind that one can possibly be humble and believe in getting to Heaven - I'd think that a humble person wouldn't even consider themselves getting to Heaven if they believed in it.

[tackattack]

I agree with the second statement entirely. However I would love to see a comparison done per capita. Of course the religious have a higer incidence, we still have numbers over athesits, but when compared to the incidents per capita I'd be surprised if they didn't show blaring diferences.

[Zen Badger]

Would you go to nut house and poke the inmates with a sharp stick? If not,don't tease poor Frodo.

No, I'd use a cattle prod, they jump more

[Edwardo Piet]

So I bring up many many points why fr0d0 has repeatedly dodged, not just dodging now but also overtime, and been inconsistent... where fr0d0 has posted statements like "God doesn't exist... he just is" - which is a nonsensical statement of course... a contradiction - and his response to me is that he's answered it all before. Well, fr0d0, which response(s) are you talking about? Your "answers" contradict each other. You claim to have evidence of at least some form. I ask for it and you say there can't be any. This happens over and over. Stop messing around it's ridiculous.

I am not surprised you're backing out now fr0d0... I've gave you too much of your own confusion and/or inconsistencies for you to deal with.

Oh and btw fr0d0 - you have failed to explain why God is any less absurd than the FSM. The fact he's written in the book doesn't make him less absurd... in fact - the FSM is in a book too! Be it parody or not that doesn't somehow magically make God any more probable. You say the FSM is not serious proposition... indeed it isn't - but the whole point is you've failed to explain why God is any more reasonable at all.
EvF

[Watson]

You think it's delusional not to believe in an invisible flying man in the sky? Which one of us is claming there is an all powerful being without any evidence?

I hate this. This right here is your problem. No one is claiming there is an invisible flying man in the sky. Your own humanization of God blinds you to His true nature, since you can see nothing past the human, you do not transcend or consider possibilities outside of your own mind. This is always one of the arguments that angers me most from Atheists. We don't beleive in 'an invisible flying man in the sky.' No one ever said that except you.

And no wonder you can't find proof of that.

First, my guess would be that fr0d0 doesn't give you a straight answer because he doesn't feel you'll listen or grasp exactly what he's saying. That's not a dig, I just wanted to try and flash insight into his view as well as my own, and as well as yours.

It was a yes/no question.

Yes, but there is far more to it than a simple yes/no answer.

Besides, i am listening and trying to understand his position, but as soon as i ask why he holds the presuppositions he does and why it is reasonable to do so i get nothing but hot-air.

Like I said, frod0 likely feels that you wouldn't accept the answer given to you because you would not understand it, due to your given responses thus far. He's basically saying "You don't understand the solution, there can be no point in arguing about the problem."

Second, evidence and logic are two seperate things, and evidence itself does not have to be either logical or empirical.

Yes, but Empirical and logical evidences are the types of evidence that are independent, repeatable, testable and therefore the only forms of evidence that can be confirmed, Anecdotal/Testimonial evidence is rather useless in this instance as there are too many contradictory claims based on this standard with no way of being able to discern between them, there is also the issue that anecdotal evidence is indistinguishable from delusion, hallucination and lies - There is simply no standard by which to differentiate true from false because on the issue of God we have both already ruled out Empirical and Logical evidence.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell; we can't discern what is true, whether it's merely delusion or a genuine experience. It's something too personal and is experiened merely by the individual.

With that, I pose a question; can you experience evolution? Perhaps you can test it, find evidence of it, provide backing up for it, but can you yourself actually experience it? Of course not, because evolution is not an experience. God, however is. Like fr0d0 said, you don't need proof of the person slapping you in the face; you just experienced being slapped in the face.

However, I will say this; it is an experience that, when you feel it and truly understand it for what it is, you'll know. The only problem is that Person A telling Person B about Experience X wont make Person B automatically go out and experience X. However, it can help open their mind to Experience X and, when it occurs, Person B may step back and say:
"Huh. Maybe that isn't exactly what I thought it was to begin with."

Think of it like a snow flake. The patterns and shapes of snow flakes are infinitely different, no two are alike. There may be those which are incredibly similar down to a fine point, but they are still somewhat different in themselves. Yet, we do not classify each individual snow flake as it's own. We recognize them all as one phenomenon.

That is sort of like experiencing God.

I'm sure you can rationalize your belief to yourself, but does your reasoning behind the conclusion hold up to examination?

It is too personal a thing for someone else to call the shots, but I can say this; from my consideration, the mere fact that we exist is illogical. So it's not preporterous to logically infer that illogical things can and do exist. And, from experiences within my life that have occured which cannot be explained or rationalized, I have come to believe in the existence of God.

I am not asking whether or not you can explain God, i am asking if the reasons for your belief are logical.

The explanation of God itself provides the reason/logic behind the belief.

So then what are your logical reasons for belief in God?

Please go back to my series of posts and discussion with Adrian and Zhal, earlier. I knwo I sound lazy and I'm sorry I can't take the time to reiterate here, but to do so would be very wordy.