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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 11:37 am)Deidre32 Wrote: When I was a Christian, I believed it was an actual "destination" or place where eternal souls were "kept" who were worthy of it.
Now that I'm an atheist, I can't help but wonder if the Bible in so many words, infers that heaven is space? If you are religious, "where" do you believe heaven is? What is it? (your opinion is fine, but if you could describe how you arrived at that, it would be good) I'm not looking for necessarily a logical discussion about the after life because there is no evidence for it. But rather, when you think of heaven, what do you believe your holy book is describing? (Space? Universe?)
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 5:53 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm)Losty Wrote: (April 26, 2014 at 11:37 am)Deidre32 Wrote: When I was a Christian, I believed it was an actual "destination" or place where eternal souls were "kept" who were worthy of it.
Now that I'm an atheist, I can't help but wonder if the Bible in so many words, infers that heaven is space? If you are religious, "where" do you believe heaven is? What is it? (your opinion is fine, but if you could describe how you arrived at that, it would be good) I'm not looking for necessarily a logical discussion about the after life because there is no evidence for it. But rather, when you think of heaven, what do you believe your holy book is describing? (Space? Universe?)
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 6:08 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm)Losty Wrote: Heaven is right here Deidre my love
I'll have the heaven Losty is having. Love me some fine bootay!
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 6:14 pm
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 6:18 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm)Losty Wrote: Heaven is right here Deidre my love
If that is the case, then I want nothing to do with Heaven.
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 6:23 pm
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 6:24 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm)Losty Wrote: (April 26, 2014 at 11:37 am)Deidre32 Wrote: When I was a Christian, I believed it was an actual "destination" or place where eternal souls were "kept" who were worthy of it.
Now that I'm an atheist, I can't help but wonder if the Bible in so many words, infers that heaven is space? If you are religious, "where" do you believe heaven is? What is it? (your opinion is fine, but if you could describe how you arrived at that, it would be good) I'm not looking for necessarily a logical discussion about the after life because there is no evidence for it. But rather, when you think of heaven, what do you believe your holy book is describing? (Space? Universe?)
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 6:26 pm
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RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
April 26, 2014 at 6:26 pm
(April 26, 2014 at 5:29 pm)Bronwynn Wrote: To me, "heaven" is not a far away place that is "up there" somewhere. The Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God is very real. It is more real than my entire existence in this place, and I have only been there brief moments in my sleep. You see, Jesus told us where to look, (within) but nobody wants that answer; its too vague, too much work. we are creatures who need instant gratification. seeing is believing right? nothing less will do? that is why we look up at the sky, hoping something will happen. It never does. and then we are disappointed, as though it is His fault. sigh. I did that for many years. And then something broke within me. I turned my mind inward, and began to question everything. Then one day, strange and wonderful things began to happen... frightening things.
I found this heaven. it is not a castle in the sky. you see, there is a place between the sleeping world and the waking. some dream, some do more than dream when that door has been opened. few have found it, and it is only by my stubborn and sheer determination, that I did. I have had dreams, and I have been to places no imagination could ever create. I "know" things that comes from a whole other kind of knowledge, not learned here. I have been taken to heavens gate, the door to paradise and I've seen through it. it is a mandorla. call me crazy because I know how this sounds. but I am very much sane and sober. I have heard Jesus voice, and it is a sound I have never heard before in this world. I can't explain it. and it is so wonderful. It is just more REAL than this existence.
I can't "prove" this heaven I have seen and experienced, but I can show you how to get there.
Find Gnosis.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
I'm familiar with Gnosis, and it's a different concept altogether than the OT/NT 'versions' of a god. I appreciate your reply, you are not crazy. Nor sound it. You believe what you believe.
I asked this question not so much for a debate, as much just to gain some insight into what believers think heaven is...where it is or might be, etc. So thanks! 
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