Next They'll Be Wanting to Burn Them

[SteelCurtain]

It would probably happen less often, but it would still happen. I think we need to teach our kids the seriousness of the sexual act. That's not to tell them it's not pleasurable or fun, but to teach them the damage that can be done to children's lives because the parents weren't committed to loving and caring for a child that might result.
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That's the attitude I'm referring to. It really strenthens my opinion that sex belongs only in marriage.

You can pretend like reality doesn't exist if you like. Teaching abstinence objectively does not work. Humans are going to have sex, that is objectively true. This is especially true for adolescents. Telling them it's super serial and is only for marriage is a ridiculous plan for preventing unwanted pregnancies. Teach them about it, reinforce respect for it, and encourage that when they're ready, they do it responsibly, and most importantly, maintain open dialogue about it.

[Rampant.A.I.]

That's the attitude I'm referring to. It really strenthens my opinion that sex belongs only in marriage.

Everybody says that, nobody follows it.

According to The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy research that was reference in the story, 80 percent of the unmarried evangelical Christians surveyed said that they have had sex.

And it's not just evangelicals:

a recent study reveals that 88 percent of unmarried young adults (ages 18-29) are having sex.

For better or worse, the ship's already sailed.

Http://www.relevantmagazine.com/life/rel...revolution

http://www.relevantmagazine.com/slices/r...arital-sex

[Minimalist]

And, uh...what was mom in it for?

You know, for a guy who worships the bastard child of some slut who didn't even know who the father was, you are mighty particular!

That's the attitude I'm referring to. It really strenthens my opinion that sex belongs only in marriage.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But when you start trying to get your superstitions enacted into law which impacts everyone you and I will have a problem.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

They can't debunk the criticisms, and they're not allowed to kill heretics, so they just have to ban things that make them uncomfortable.

Sexually charged material already mocks christian values, so it's a two for one.

Do you want the public schools to have the students read books with sexually charged material?

Yes.

I read catcher in the rye when I was a young teenager as well as other books that discuss sexuality and sexual development. You know why they're interesting to kids? Because kids are in the process of maturing sexually and humans enjoy experiencing the views and opinions of others on a subject they are also interested in.

Just because some group of people find the idea of a cock entering a smooth, wet vagina (or indeed an ass hole) 'offensive to their religion' doesn't mean it should be banned. It means their views should either change, or they should shut the fuck up and let children experience everything that children should be allowed to experience.

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And with condoms and other forms of birth control, that wouldn't happen as often, would it?

It would probably happen less often, but it would still happen. I think we need to teach our kids the seriousness of the sexual act. That's not to tell them it's not pleasurable or fun, but to teach them the damage that can be done to children's lives because the parents weren't committed to loving and caring for a child that might result.

Oh so you mean your 'solution' to this problem is to simply lie to kids?

Well, that is the typical MO for theists, so I'm not surprised.

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That's the attitude I'm referring to. It really strenthens my opinion that sex belongs only in marriage.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But when you start trying to get your superstitions enacted into law which impacts everyone you and I will have a problem.

A fucking big problem that they ultimately will lose.

[ManMachine]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/27/co...-students/

Concerned Idaho citizen calls police over public banned book giveaway to high school students

In early April, the school board voted 2-1 to remove the winner of the 2007 National Book Award for Young People’s Literature from the 10th grade curriculum following complaints from some parents concerned that the book contained sexually charged material and mocked the Christian religion.

Xtians make it so easy to despise them.

it's easy but we should rise above it. Most Christians I know are very sensible and amiable people. There is a unique fervour that, on the surface of things, only seems to manifest itself in the US.

I've not studied it in depth nor do I feel inclined to, perhaps it's because the Christians that originally got sent to the US were the fundies that were no longer tolerated over here. In which case I apologise for my ancestors' intolerance.

MM

[Minimalist]

perhaps it's because the Christians that originally got sent to the US were the fundies that were no longer tolerated over here.

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A handful of Puritans in 1620 are not the cause of today's problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental...ristianity

Christian fundamentalism is a movement that began in the late 19th- and early 20th-century among British and American Protestants.[1][2] It was a reaction to theological liberalism and cultural modernism. Fundamentalists argued that 19th century modernist theologians had misinterpreted or rejected certain doctrines, especially biblical inerrancy, that evangelicals viewed as the fundamentals of Christian faith.[

Put another way - Darwin scared the shit out of them!

[NoraBrimstone]

That's the attitude I'm referring to. It really strenthens my opinion that sex belongs only in marriage.

And that's the attitude that leads to religious communities full of 19 year old divorced single mothers with a couple of kids. Because they want sex, but they've been shamed into believing that sex belongs to marriage. So they marry the first boy who comes along and end up pregnant because they don't know shit about how to have sex responsibly, and don't abort because they've also been shamed into believing that there's something wrong with that, too.
If we taught kids about condoms, taught boys to respect women enough to actually use the things, and taught girls to respect themselves enough to tell a bloke to go have a wank if he thinks "it feels better without a condom!" is more important than her health (STIs are especially dangerous for women), if we taught them how quick and easy it is to go and get emergency contraception if they do happen to fuck up and stupidly have unprotected sex (I'm sure we've all been there!), or failing that, where to go for the abortion pill if pregnancy occurs; if we teach them all those things instead of waiting time telling them not to have sex at all, there will be less unwanted children and less ruined lives.

Kids will have sex if they want to. You can't stop them. Do you think any other animal has sex because they were told about sex? Or is it an instinctive act like eating, or breathing, that we do without needing to be told anything? Humans are intelligent beings, so we are in a unique position of being able to understand this part of our nature and learn how to have sex without risking fucking up our lives. Abstinence promotion over sex ed deprives young people of this valuable knowledge, and ruins their lives before they're barely even adults.

[Chad32]

The tighter you hold on to something, the more it will struggle to break free. Banning sex outside of marriage, and making masturbation and abortion taboo, is the demonstrably incorrect way to deal with horny teens and young adults.

[ManMachine]

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A handful of Puritans in 1620 are not the cause of today's problem.

I take it you mean today's problems in the US, we do not have anything like the issues with fundamentalist Christians you do in the UK. Which was kind of my point, albeit slightly sardonic.

But to open it up - for those who find my humour obfuscating - for a country with a Christian Monarchy and historically stronger ties between church and state (i.e. the UK) we have virtually no problems with fundamentalist Christians in society and politics. I find it deeply ironic when that is juxtaposed with the US, who have separation of church and state built into the constitution and yet have to suffer quite a bit of fundamentalist Christian nonsense.

MM

[Lek]

I read all your opinions and statistics. Frankly, what's right doesn't depend on how many people are doing it whether christians or non-christians. When you have sex between a man and a woman, whether you use birth control or not, abortion availability or not, there's a chance that a living child will result from your act. You may want to abort, but your partner may not. Every time a person engages in sexual intercourse that should be part of the mindset. Are you willing to fulfill your responsibility to your child? That means loving them and supporting them into adulthood. If you, or our teenagers, think that this isn't part of the equation, then we've failed them. The other possibility is that we just don't care about our children which, unfortunately, is often the case. We just want to have fun and don't care about the consequences.