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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:14 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 8:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Stimbo Wrote: How would you distinguish faith in something real from faith in the nonexistent?
I have faith in God's Word and what He say is truth. Perhaps you never have seen a subatomic particle but you have faith that they are real. So you see, we both have faith.
As a matter of fact I have seen subatomic particles. Such is the danger of assumption. So you see, one of has faith in things with zero evidence.
As for "God's Word", could you expand on what you mean by that?
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:18 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 8:03 pm)Beccs Wrote: We can see and predict the effects of subatomic particles.
Indeed: Brownian Motion.
(May 5, 2014 at 8:03 pm)Beccs Wrote: Not so deities.
Indeed x2. If Rev - or anyone - can offer any evidence for their god even a fraction as demonstrable as Brownian Motion, there would be no need for atheists.
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Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:24 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 11:00 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The game is actually over if you insist on asserting that the game is not over when someone makes a telling point instead of even trying to refute it. Identical retroviral insertions in related species is something that only makes sense in the context of evolution. If you don't address that, you lose.
This critiques your stance on this, I believe game is still in progress.
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1e.asp
TrueOrigin.org Exposing the Myth of Evolution Wrote:Bibliographies
Two concise, but thorough, creationary bibliographies exist, from Eric Blievernicht and Henry Morris, Ph.D., respectively. Below is a representative—but by no means exhaustive—list of recommended suggestions for further reading, most of which can be purchased in the U.S. through the Creation Research Society, the Institute for Creation Research, and Answers in Genesis—the last of which also trades on a nearly worldwide basis:
So, after having been told why Answers In Genesis is not a reliable, unbiased source, you link to a site that recommends AiG as a source?
Really?
Really?
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:27 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 8:24 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: This critiques your stance on this, I believe game is still in progress.
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1e.asp
TrueOrigin.org Exposing the Myth of Evolution Wrote:Bibliographies
Two concise, but thorough, creationary bibliographies exist, from Eric Blievernicht and Henry Morris, Ph.D., respectively. Below is a representative—but by no means exhaustive—list of recommended suggestions for further reading, most of which can be purchased in the U.S. through the Creation Research Society, the Institute for Creation Research, and Answers in Genesis—the last of which also trades on a nearly worldwide basis:
So, after having been told why Answers In Genesis is not a reliable, unbiased source, you link to a site that recommends AiG as a source?
Really?
Really?
Because, in the end, all they can do is repeat and cite the same nonsense.
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:30 pm
Interesting that the Rev hasn't bother to respond to my post or that of Brian Boru, and if he ever does, it will be this one, and he'll insist that we repeat ourselves because he can't be bother to go looking for our previous posts. 
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:31 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 8:04 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Goddidit.
You guys are obviously making sport of me instead of addressing my argument.
Making sport?
Perhaps.
I prefer to view creationists as chew-toys. They squeak a lot and then get ripped to pieces.
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Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:37 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 8:30 pm)orogenicman Wrote: Interesting that the Rev hasn't bother to respond to my post or that of Brian Boru, and if he ever does, it will be this one, and he'll insist that we repeat ourselves because he can't be bother to go looking for our previous posts. :@
At least he responded to the .gif in my post. Maybe we should switch to communicating in pictures.
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:45 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2014 at 8:48 pm by Revelation777.)
(May 5, 2014 at 8:24 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: This critiques your stance on this, I believe game is still in progress.
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1e.asp
TrueOrigin.org Exposing the Myth of Evolution Wrote:Bibliographies
Two concise, but thorough, creationary bibliographies exist, from Eric Blievernicht and Henry Morris, Ph.D., respectively. Below is a representative—but by no means exhaustive—list of recommended suggestions for further reading, most of which can be purchased in the U.S. through the Creation Research Society, the Institute for Creation Research, and Answers in Genesis—the last of which also trades on a nearly worldwide basis:
So, after having been told why Answers In Genesis is not a reliable, unbiased source, you link to a site that recommends AiG as a source?
Really?
Really?
I found something interesting that I would like to share with my skeptical atheist friends -
1997-NOV data is little changed. Note the massive differences between the beliefs of the general population and of scientists:
Group Creation Theistic Evolution Evolution
Everyone 44% 39% 10%
Scientists 5% 40% 55%
http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sage/v5i10f.htm
So you see that there are scientists who do believe in creation. Also, note that the general public only 10% believe in evolution without God's intervention. If you visit this website they also have a list of scientists who embrace creation. This is wonderful news.
(May 5, 2014 at 7:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God loves me even if you think I am simple minded. God loves you too even though your pride may getting in the way of you repenting. Anyways, God shows His creative work to us everyday. He did a great job.
Do some basic biology courses into human anatomy and see why the designer was incompetent.
He hath done all things well. Unfortunately, the destructiveness of sin has tainted His once perfect creation. So He sent a Savior!
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:50 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2014 at 8:51 pm by The Valkyrie.)
(May 5, 2014 at 8:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 8:24 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: So, after having been told why Answers In Genesis is not a reliable, unbiased source, you link to a site that recommends AiG as a source?
Really?
Really?
I found something interesting that I would like to share with my skeptical atheist friends -
1997-NOV data is little changed. Note the massive differences between the beliefs of the general population and of scientists:
Group Creation Theistic Evolution Evolution
Everyone 44% 39% 10%
Scientists 5% 40% 55%
http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sage/v5i10f.htm
So you see that there are scientists who do believe in creation. Also, note that the general public only 10% believe in evolution without God's intervention. If you visit this website they also have a list of scientists who embrace creation. This is wonderful news.
And very few of those "scientists" will be evolutionary biologists.
And, as previously stated, science doesn't depend on numbers to be factual.
Going back, once the majority of Europeans thought the world was flat. They were wrong, too.
And I would suggest you google "Project Steve".
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 5, 2014 at 8:50 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 8:01 pm)Cato Wrote: (May 5, 2014 at 8:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I have faith in God's Word and what He say is truth. Perhaps you never have seen a subatomic particle but you have faith that they are real. So you see, we both have faith.
This dude is hopeless.
No, sir, no. My hope is in Jesus. 
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