Argument #2: Evolution Of Species

[LastPoet]

We can always point a gun to their heads to make them participate. Problem is that I don't like guns.

[Esquilax]

In 1999, Dr. Stephen Taylor wrote,

The Creation Research Society currently has a membership of 650 scientists, each one holding a Master’s degree or above in a recognized field of science. In a recent article Dr. Russell Humphreys, physicist at Sandia National Laboratories, New Mexico, estimates that there are around 10,000 practicing professional scientists in the USA alone who openly believe in a six-day creation.

1 Ashton, In Six Days (1999) Page 284

See evolution is not as clear cut as you think. In fact if you read the book, "In Six Days" you may be left with more questions about your beliefs than ever before. So please be open minded to creation.

"Several of the scientists who wrote chapters for In Six Days say they were once atheistic evolutionists who didn’t accept Christianity and creation until after they realized that the theory of evolution is scientifically bankrupt. Their rejection of evolution did not come from some Christian brainwashing which prevented them from thinking rationally. They rejected the theory because science evidence is overwhelmingly against evolution." http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sa...#footnote1

Weren't you saying earlier that all those scientists who believe in creation are being bullied into silence by the Great Evolution Conspiracy?

Which is it, Rev? You can't have it both ways.

[Revelation777]

In 1999, Dr. Stephen Taylor wrote,

The Creation Research Society currently has a membership of 650 scientists, each one holding a Master’s degree or above in a recognized field of science. In a recent article Dr. Russell Humphreys, physicist at Sandia National Laboratories, New Mexico, estimates that there are around 10,000 practicing professional scientists in the USA alone who openly believe in a six-day creation.

1 Ashton, In Six Days (1999) Page 284

See evolution is not as clear cut as you think. In fact if you read the book, "In Six Days" you may be left with more questions about your beliefs than ever before. So please be open minded to creation.

"Several of the scientists who wrote chapters for In Six Days say they were once atheistic evolutionists who didn’t accept Christianity and creation until after they realized that the theory of evolution is scientifically bankrupt. Their rejection of evolution did not come from some Christian brainwashing which prevented them from thinking rationally. They rejected the theory because science evidence is overwhelmingly against evolution." http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sa...#footnote1

Weren't you saying earlier that all those scientists who believe in creation are being bullied into silence by the Great Evolution Conspiracy?

Which is it, Rev? You can't have it both ways.

They found a safe harbor.

[Esquilax]

Weren't you saying earlier that all those scientists who believe in creation are being bullied into silence by the Great Evolution Conspiracy?

Which is it, Rev? You can't have it both ways.

They found a safe harbor.

I think you mean that, because they had no evidence for their beliefs, nothing testable or falsifiable and hence couldn't publish their ridiculous fantasies in mainstream publications, they split off and made up their own journal in a transparent attempt to paint a veneer of respectability over the things that they still have no evidence for, nor interest in performing tests.

Because I looked it up, you know.

[The Valkyrie]

Why should any of us here be respectful of your beliefs when your beliefs are not respectful to us as atheists? Do you have any idea what the people says to do to people that leave the religion? Well the first the old testament tells us that you should burn down the whole fucking town if someone is a atheist in another town, it says that if your ducking mother or wife deconverts you should stone them to death,


So no, your pitiful beliefs do not deserve respect.

In 1999, Dr. Stephen Taylor wrote,

The Creation Research Society currently has a membership of 650 scientists, each one holding a Master’s degree or above in a recognized field of science. In a recent article Dr. Russell Humphreys, physicist at Sandia National Laboratories, New Mexico, estimates that there are around 10,000 practicing professional scientists in the USA alone who openly believe in a six-day creation.

1 Ashton, In Six Days (1999) Page 284

See evolution is not as clear cut as you think. In fact if you read the book, "In Six Days" you may be left with more questions about your beliefs than ever before. So please be open minded to creation.

"Several of the scientists who wrote chapters for In Six Days say they were once atheistic evolutionists who didn’t accept Christianity and creation until after they realized that the theory of evolution is scientifically bankrupt. Their rejection of evolution did not come from some Christian brainwashing which prevented them from thinking rationally. They rejected the theory because science evidence is overwhelmingly against evolution." http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sa...#footnote1

First up Stephen Taylor has a Ph.D in ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING. Yeah, that makes him qualified to be an authority on the fact of evolution or cosmology.

Now, I've been moderately polite with you until now, Rev. But the gloves are coming off.

I have REPEATEDLY stated that just because some "scientists" go against the majority doesn't make them right. It doesn't matter of 1000 or 10,000 believe in creationism or oppose evolution. Appeals to authority don't fucking matter, especially when that authority is in the fucking minority.

Now, please give the sciences that those scientists are in. The last time creationists tried this bullshit the majority of those they cited had their degrees in theology or fields that had nothing to do with evolutionary biology. Some had been misquoted and others hadn't participated in the survey at all. The response, from the National Center for Science Education was Project Steve. I've mentioned this project before, Rev. Did you even have the honesty to look it up?

No, I didn't think so.

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I am an intelligent, self aware being thtat he apparently made this way knowing I'd be curious. I am a person who works in a field where I get to see your deity's failings on a daily basis.

I am a human.

I am a woman.

I am a doctor.

I am me.

Who is your god to question me? For I KNOW that I, at least, exist.

God never failed, we failed and continue to fail. He is sovereign and answer to no one and all must answer to Him. He always was, is, and will be - we are mortal and will disappear as a wisp of vapor.

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Time for a little tough love, Rev.

If you ever wonder why you get mocked, look no further than this post. Esquilax was trying to help connect the dots for you, and you responded with.... ....something mind-bendingly stupid.

You're ignorant, led by people who are deceiving you, and you are blind to it. It's apparent you don't care.

Notice all the other Christians coming to your defense? Oh, wait, they're not - and we certainly have plenty of them here. Why do you think that is? I suspect they're embarrassed.

How many Christians are active members here?

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[Confused Ape]

No, you guys dismiss my arguments and me. You guys like to divert from the issue set forth in several ways:

2. Attack my sources - if it is Christian based it gets dismissed even though it is factual or if is an older quote it gets dismissed as out dated

8. Dismiss the Bible

I've given you links to Christian based sources on Old Earth Ministries. Atheists are going to dismiss the Bible but Old Earth Ministries doesn't so some of the articles there include theology.

Please be respectful of my beliefs even if you disagree with them.

It's not a case of what you believe so much as how you're presenting so-called evidence for your beliefs. I don't agree with the beliefs of Greg Neyman who runs Old Earth Ministries but I do respect his attitude.

Evolution -The Bible Taught It First

As a progressive creationist, I do not believe in evolution. However, it is a valid belief system, and Theistic Evolutionists are free to believe it if they choose. After all, it may be the correct theory, and we cannot be dogmatic in our condemnation of it.

The article is about how Genesis can be interpreted to support the idea that evolution is the way God did it.

This is very different to insisting that religious scientists have to go along with evolution otherwise they'll be ostracised by the scientific community.

[Tonus]

Ahh, but God has chosen even a fool as I to confound the wise.
"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty" I Cor 1:27

That's one of the insidious things about the Bible, the way many writers helped its followers to shield themselves from considerations that might cause them to doubt. If it seems that god is not active, Peter warns us that he's just "patient." If you are stumped by information and evidence that contradict what you believe, it's just the "wisdom of the world" which can't stand up to god's... mysteriousness, I guess, since Paul doesn't explain just why god chose the weak and foolish to "shame" the mighty and wise. But it's enough to get you to dismiss anything that might make you doubt. To the extent that you refuse to respond to the charge that the quote you built your case upon is blatantly out-of-context and dishonest.

[Revelation777]

Ahh, but God has chosen even a fool as I to confound the wise.
"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty" I Cor 1:27

That's one of the insidious things about the Bible, the way many writers helped its followers to shield themselves from considerations that might cause them to doubt. If it seems that god is not active, Peter warns us that he's just "patient." If you are stumped by information and evidence that contradict what you believe, it's just the "wisdom of the world" which can't stand up to god's... mysteriousness, I guess, since Paul doesn't explain just why god chose the weak and foolish to "shame" the mighty and wise. But it's enough to get you to dismiss anything that might make you doubt. To the extent that you refuse to respond to the charge that the quote you built your case upon is blatantly out-of-context and dishonest.

hock:

[Esquilax]

So are you just done with even the pretense of taking this seriously, Rev?

[Cato]

The amusing thing is that Rev's choice of emoticon serves to buttress Tonus' argument.