Argument #2: Evolution Of Species

[Revelation777]

Rev, we already know that otherwise smart people can have enormous blind spots when it comes to their religious beliefs, and we already know that smart people can be wrong! Quit it with the arguments from authority and give us something real. Give us a scientific test that found evidence of creation, give us some peer reviewed, mainstream work that shows why evolution stops at the species level...

Give us anything beyond trite platitudes and refusals to admit when you've fallen victim to creationist dishonesty!

Also, I asked you a question on page six that I think is very important, that you still haven't responded to despite my repeating it later on. Could you give us an answer on this:

And when you do address them, your response is nothing more than "nuh uh!" But let's have some fun with this: all I said was "human chromosome 2," that was literally the extent of my allusion to genetics. You could have looked it up because that was plenty to light a google search up, but instead you just tell me about "similarities," a word that I never used, and actually- and this is the smoking gun for how little you know what you're talking about- isn't applicable to the situation at hand anyway.

You told me that similarities in genetics doesn't constitute proof, when the thing I was talking about has nothing to do with similarities. Be honest, Rev: did you even look up human chromosome 2 before you responded?

What is it, and why are scientists claiming that it's proof of our common ancestry with apes? It's certainly not because the chromosome is similar to ape chromosomes, so... why? What information do you have on this right now, before you look it up for the first time now you've been called out, and why did you think it was okay to disagree with me without even knowing what we were disagreeing on?

Are you that completely lazy and dishonest that you won't even do a cursory wikipedia search on the things people point you to, in a thread you've made ostensibly about people debating these issues with you?

Have you even opened a single other link that's been posted to you on this thread?

I just want you to know there are and were brilliant men and women who embrace a God. That is all from those quotes.

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Rev, we already know that otherwise smart people can have enormous blind spots when it comes to their religious beliefs, and we already know that smart people can be wrong! Quit it with the arguments from authority and give us something real. Give us a scientific test that found evidence of creation, give us some peer reviewed, mainstream work that shows why evolution stops at the species level...

Give us anything beyond trite platitudes and refusals to admit when you've fallen victim to creationist dishonesty!

Also, I asked you a question on page six that I think is very important, that you still haven't responded to despite my repeating it later on. Could you give us an answer on this:

And when you do address them, your response is nothing more than "nuh uh!" But let's have some fun with this: all I said was "human chromosome 2," that was literally the extent of my allusion to genetics. You could have looked it up because that was plenty to light a google search up, but instead you just tell me about "similarities," a word that I never used, and actually- and this is the smoking gun for how little you know what you're talking about- isn't applicable to the situation at hand anyway.

You told me that similarities in genetics doesn't constitute proof, when the thing I was talking about has nothing to do with similarities. Be honest, Rev: did you even look up human chromosome 2 before you responded?

What is it, and why are scientists claiming that it's proof of our common ancestry with apes? It's certainly not because the chromosome is similar to ape chromosomes, so... why? What information do you have on this right now, before you look it up for the first time now you've been called out, and why did you think it was okay to disagree with me without even knowing what we were disagreeing on?

Are you that completely lazy and dishonest that you won't even do a cursory wikipedia search on the things people point you to, in a thread you've made ostensibly about people debating these issues with you?

Have you even opened a single other link that's been posted to you on this thread?

What if there is dishonesty among atheists?

[pocaracas]

What if there is dishonesty among atheists?

But there is. After all, they're human.
Even among scientists. Even among peers working in the same field, in the same institution!
They're human, they're stupid, sometimes.

But overall we can find that the discoveries and concepts that they have brought forward will outlast their mentalities.
Newton is not remembered for his pursuit of Alchemy... nor for his devotion to whichever saint he prayed the most... but for his work in physics.

[Esquilax]

I just want you to know there are and were brilliant men and women who embrace a God. That is all from those quotes.

I know, and I don't care. The intelligence of a person who believes a thing doesn't impact the truth of that thing. All you've shown is that this set of brilliant people believed one wrong thing about the origins of the universe. That's not a hugely convincing claim.

What if there is dishonesty among atheists?

I've never for a moment implied that there wasn't. But that doesn't impact the quality of your sources at all; even if every last one of us was lying right now, that wouldn't mean that your sources suddenly become truthful.

It is a demonstrable fact that you, or the people you are quoting, have lied in the execution of those quotes. It is also a demonstrable fact that when you responded to something I said to you at the beginning of this thread, you did so in a completely nonsensical manner that in no way applies to what I had said, indicating that you hadn't bothered to even look at what I'd shown you before you responded. Those questions I asked earlier still need answering, and I don't care if you can point around this thread and show that everyone here has been lying through their teeth from the beginning, that doesn't change that.

[Clueless Morgan]

[Anomalocaris]

What if there is dishonesty among atheists?

There is undoubted dishonesty amongst atheists. But Christianity based creationism is the essence of dishonesty and there can't be anything but dishonesty amongst creationists like you.

[Confused Ape]

[Michael Schubert]

Argument #2: Evolution of Species

The evolutionist Kerkut defined the “general theory of evolution” as “the theory that living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.” He goes on to say, “The evidence which supports this is not sufficiently strong to allow us to consider it as anything more than a working hypothesis.” G. A. Kerkut, Implications of Evolution (Oxford, UK: Pergamon, 1960), p.157.

My argument is not that change doesn’t take place within species over time. My argument is that no matter how long the time frame, there is no substantial scientific evidence that a microbe has evolved into a human being. Additionally, there is no substantial scientific evidence that non-living chemicals can produce a living cell regardless of time and/or chance.

Even if that were true (which it isn't), that wouldn't be any evidence of a God that creates life using magic.

[Mister Agenda]

[Jackalope]

I would like to refer to the Bible but you guys don't want me to go there.

Only because it doesn't help your case to quote a text that none of the people you're arguing against thinks carries any authority on scientific matters.

Indeed. It would be a bit like quoting Curious George to argue with quantum physicists. A bit of hyperbole, yes, but it's only to make the point clear - the bible has about as much to do with science as CG does to quantum physics: nothing at all.

[The Valkyrie]