Argument #2: Evolution Of Species

[Confused Ape]

Talk your mother that died 2 years ago your nuts.

Not if you say you're a Spiritualist. Spiritualism is a recognised religion.

[Lemonvariable72]

Talk your mother that died 2 years ago your nuts.

Not if you say you're a Spiritualist. Spiritualism is a recognised religion.

People will still think your crazy. Most people even think wiccans are nuts.

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Why should any of us here be respectful of your beliefs when your beliefs are not respectful to us as atheists? Do you have any idea what the people says to do to people that leave the religion? Well the first the old testament tells us that you should burn down the whole fucking town if someone is a atheist in another town, it says that if your ducking mother or wife deconverts you should stone them to death,


So no, your pitiful beliefs do not deserve respect.

In 1999, Dr. Stephen Taylor wrote,

The Creation Research Society currently has a membership of 650 scientists, each one holding a Master’s degree or above in a recognized field of science. In a recent article Dr. Russell Humphreys, physicist at Sandia National Laboratories, New Mexico, estimates that there are around 10,000 practicing professional scientists in the USA alone who openly believe in a six-day creation.

1 Ashton, In Six Days (1999) Page 284

See evolution is not as clear cut as you think. In fact if you read the book, "In Six Days" you may be left with more questions about your beliefs than ever before. So please be open minded to creation.

"Several of the scientists who wrote chapters for In Six Days say they were once atheistic evolutionists who didn’t accept Christianity and creation until after they realized that the theory of evolution is scientifically bankrupt. Their rejection of evolution did not come from some Christian brainwashing which prevented them from thinking rationally. They rejected the theory because science evidence is overwhelmingly against evolution." http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sa...#footnote1

And what in the hell does that have to do with your filthy religion and how it is disrespectful to humanity?

[Confused Ape]

Not if you say you're a Spiritualist. Spiritualism is a recognised religion.

People will still think your crazy.

Some people think spiritualists are crazy. Other people think that spiritualists are being misled by demonic entities. Spiritualists are happy being crazy together in their churches, though.

Most people even think wiccans are nuts.

Some people think that Wiccans and other Neo-Pagans are worshipping demonic entities.

Maybe it depends where one happens to be because Neo-Pagan religions are more or less accepted in Britain. I can't say that I've ever met a Wiccan or other Neo-Pagan who tried to disprove evolution.

[Duke Guilmon]

So let me guess the argument is like this.


You see no changes can ever happen to an animal outside of its kind.

*Sees it happen

You see those animals are the same kind

[Revelation777]

We can see and predict the effects of subatomic particles.

Indeed: Brownian Motion.

Not so deities.

Indeed x2. If Rev - or anyone - can offer any evidence for their god even a fraction as demonstrable as Brownian Motion, there would be no need for atheists.

When Jesus returns there will be no atheists left. But till then there will be unbelief.

[Silver]

When Jesus returns.

Except he never will.

[Revelation777]

That's a bit skewed. There are creationist scientists, and if I remember correctly the guy who runs the Human Genome project is one.

One of the guys who ran it is Francis Collins. He's a Christian who believes that evolution is the way God did it.

From An Interview

Francis Collins: The evidence is overwhelming. And it is becoming more and more robust down to the details almost by the day, especially because we have this ability now to use the study of DNA as a digital record of the way Darwin’s theory has played out over the course of long periods of time.
Darwin could hardly have imagined that there would turn out to be such strong proof of his theory because he didn’t know about DNA - but we have that information. I would say we are as solid in claiming the truth of evolution as we are in claiming the truth of the germ theory. It is so profoundly well-documented in multiple different perspectives, all of which give you a consistent view with enormous explanatory power that make it the central core of biology. Trying to do biology without evolution would be like trying to do physics without mathematics

According to Revelation777, Francis Collins is only pretending to go along with evolution because he doesn't want to be ostracised by the scientific community.

I didn't say that about Francis Collins but I believe there is a pressure to accept evolution or else.

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This critiques your stance on this, I believe game is still in progress.

http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1e.asp

The last section of this 12+ page article does in fact deal with retroviral insertions. (It's a response to http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/...troviruses )

The claim here is that common ancestry is the only viable explanation for “finding [ERVs] in identical chromosomal positions of two different species.” It is based on the premise that ERVs are (and always have been) nonfunctional products of retroviral infection that have, for the most part, inserted randomly into the genome of the host organism. The presumed nonfunctionality of ERVs is thought to eliminate the explanation of design (because a Designer could have no purpose in placing nonfunctional sequences at the same locus in separate species). The presumed randomness of ERV insertion is thought to eliminate the explanation of chance (because the DNA “chain” is too long for coincidental insertion at the same locus to be a realistic possibility). That leaves common ancestry as the remaining explanation.

Again, it is an unprovable theological assertion that God would not place the same nonfunctional sequences at the same locus in separate species. He may have a purpose for doing so that is beyond our present understanding. The objection that placing nonfunctional sequences at the same locus in separate species would make God guilty of deception is ill founded. God cannot be charged fairly with deception when we choose to draw conclusions from data that contradict what he has revealed in Scripture (see Gibson’s comments in the discussion of Prediction 19).

http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1e.asp

So, is it your entire objection that ERVs aren't evidence for evolution and common descent because God "could've done it that way" ?

God can do as He well pleases. If you make your own universe then do as you please.

[Jackalope]

Indeed: Brownian Motion.


Indeed x2. If Rev - or anyone - can offer any evidence for their god even a fraction as demonstrable as Brownian Motion, there would be no need for atheists.

When Jesus returns there will be no atheists left. But till then there will be unbelief.

He's gonna roast 'em, amirite?

[Revelation777]

This Micro Macro evolution argument is stupid. Seeing as You guys will move the goal post. Remember when horse evolution never could happen? I do and now all of a sudden it can.

Spot on. 'Micro' and 'macro' evolution are exactly the same thing - it is a difference of degree, not of kind.

It is rather like saying, 'I believe in sugar cubes, but lorry loads of sugar are impossible.'

Boru

God created after their "kind"

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The waits between 'arguments' (read: baseless, unsupported assertions) are logarithmic. 6 days between the one and two, we're looking at three weeks and 2 rule change suggestions before we get to argument #3: If I evolved from a monkey, how come there are still monkeys?

Help change my baby's diapers would free me up more for responses.

[Lemonvariable72]

Indeed: Brownian Motion.


Indeed x2. If Rev - or anyone - can offer any evidence for their god even a fraction as demonstrable as Brownian Motion, there would be no need for atheists.

When Jesus returns there will be no atheists left. But till then there will be unbelief.

Thats exactly right, you don't believe until you have evidence and not a minute before.

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
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