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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 11:54 pm
(May 22, 2014 at 6:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In the final analysis, God punished Eve unjustly. She ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good And Evil. Even though God told her and her hubby not to eat this fruit, prior to eating it, they couldn't possibly have known that disobeying God was an evil act.
So, it doesn't much matter if Eve is in hell or not. Simply by visiting women with pain in childbirth and ejecting the couple from the Garden, God meted out punishment for what was, in Eve's mind, not a sin, not a crime, not an evil act - she simply lacked the requisite knowledge to know that what she was doing was wrong.
It is as if you told your teenage son that he has an 11:00 PM curfew, but you tell him in Mandarin, which he does not speak. He arrives home that night at 11:03 and you beat him with a stick, all the while shouting, 'I told you! I told you!' It doesn't matter whether you told him or not, when he has no way of knowing WHAT you told him.
This sort of thing makes me wonder if there's anything - anything at all - that the Bible got right.
Boru
All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.
Eve understood if she or Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that death would result, she understood what death was and that it was a punishment, scripture makes that very clear. Many atheist say they do not believe she ans Adam did anything wrong, yet God found both of them hiding in the Garden, they both believed they were wrong in what they did. So her punishment was just.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 12:00 am
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Life on Earth is hellish enough without having to invent a fictional place for after this hellhole.
(May 22, 2014 at 11:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: All of God's punishments are just
False, and I do not want to read you resorting to the illogical statement that your god is acting as any parent would. I would love to see you place your child in a burning pit. Only then would you have an adequate argument.
The fact that I would do no such thing to a child of mine makes me more moral than your god.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 12:21 am
(May 23, 2014 at 12:00 am)Kitanetos Wrote: Life on Earth is hellish enough without having to invent a fictional place for after this hellhole.
(May 22, 2014 at 11:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: All of God's punishments are just
False, and I do not want to read you resorting to the illogical statement that your god is acting as any parent would. I would love to see you place your child in a burning pit. Only then would you have an adequate argument.
The fact that I would do no such thing to a child of mine makes me more moral than your god.
God doesn't put you in hell, you choose to go there so you can be separated from God. What makes you believe your a child of God, if you are not a believer in Christ you are of the family of Satan.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 12:25 am
(May 23, 2014 at 12:21 am)Godschild Wrote: God doesn't put you in hell, you choose to go there
I choose no such thing, which alludes to your biased ignorance, thankfully brought to you by the disinformation you have been fed your entire life courtesy of a corrupt institution.
(May 23, 2014 at 12:21 am)Godschild Wrote: What makes you believe your a child of God, if you are not a believer in Christ you are of the family of Satan.
Verifiable evidence of stated god's existence would be nice for a start. After all, we both know you are fooling no one when you make the claim to know for a fact that your god exists.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 12:36 am
(May 23, 2014 at 12:25 am)Kitanetos Wrote: (May 23, 2014 at 12:21 am)Godschild Wrote: God doesn't put you in hell, you choose to go there
I choose no such thing, which alludes to your biased ignorance, thankfully brought to you by the disinformation you have been fed your entire life courtesy of a corrupt institution.
Just because you believe you know the truth doesn't make it so. You choose Christ or you choose hell, about the only free choices you could have.
(May 23, 2014 at 12:21 am)Godschild Wrote: What makes you believe your a child of God, if you are not a believer in Christ you are of the family of Satan.
Kit Wrote:Verifiable evidence of stated god's existence would be nice for a start. After all, we both know you are fooling no one when you make the claim to know for a fact that your god exists.
You're the one who brought up people being children of God not me, I was wanting to know why you believed you rated as one.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 12:39 am
(May 23, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Just because you believe you know the truth doesn't make it so.
The truth is not reliant upon fairy tales, so I know that I know the truth.
(May 23, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote: You choose Christ or you choose hell
False Dilemma.
(May 23, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one who brought up people being children of God not me, I was wanting to know why you believed you rated as one.
Hone up on your reading comprehension skills before making such silly assertions.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am
(May 23, 2014 at 12:39 am)Kitanetos Wrote: (May 23, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Just because you believe you know the truth doesn't make it so.
The truth is not reliant upon fairy tales, so I know that I know the truth.
You wouldn't see the truth if it kicked your teeth out. You claiming the Bible is a book of fairy tales?
(May 23, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote: You choose Christ or you choose hell
Quote:False Dilemma.
No false to it, for you it's a real dilemma, like it or not it's real.
(May 23, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one who brought up people being children of God not me, I was wanting to know why you believed you rated as one.
Quote:Hone up on your reading comprehension skills before making such silly assertions.
You did not directly say it, however it was so strongly implied that anyone could see what you did, well made not you.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 1:11 am
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(May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: You wouldn't see the truth if it kicked your teeth out.
If you kicked out my teeth, I would know that you have no monopoly on the truth.
(May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: like it or not it's real.
Evidence, please.
(May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: You did not directly say it
I thought as such.
(May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: however it was so strongly implied that anyone could see what you did
Actually, I am quite certain only you saw it, because people like you actively seek persecution.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 1:38 am
(May 23, 2014 at 1:11 am)Kitanetos Wrote: (May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: You wouldn't see the truth if it kicked your teeth out.
If you kicked out my teeth, I would know that you have no monopoly on the truth.
I've never entertained the thought of having a monopoly on truth, nor did I say I would kick your teeth out, you're reading into my statements what you want to see. I have no desire for violence against you.
(May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: like it or not it's real.
Quote:Evidence, please.
Any evidence I gave would be rejected by you, there's no need in trying.
(May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: You did not directly say it
Quote:I thought as such.
Doesn't mean you did not elude to it, which of coarse you did. How else would I have gotten the idea you did.
(May 23, 2014 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote: however it was so strongly implied that anyone could see what you did
Quote:Actually, I am quite certain only you saw it, because people like you actively seek persecution.
You nor anyone on this forum has or can persecute me, the Christians in the Middle East know persecution, in this country Christians are riding on the easy train. If you think I'm afraid of you and/or your words you are sorely mistaken.
Why did you avoid my question in the previous post?
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 23, 2014 at 1:43 am
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