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Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:You do know that homosexuality has been documented in animal species all across the world, right? It's a natural thing. In social animals, there is more to interaction than "stick penis in vagina, make babies". Sexual attraction, pleasure, bonding, all of it plays a role. And some animals, humans included, bond with and/or attracted to the same gender.
So? Cleft lips are also fairly common in many other species. Doesn't make them less abnormal.
Natural it may be. But not all that is natural is good, nor is all that is natural normal.

And sometimes natural is good. And since homosexuality has been around since the dawn of humanity, it's not exactly abnormal, either.

Quote:Besides, I've stated the main and biologically relevant function of the reproductive male organ. Same goes for the female one.

So what? Why is the biological function of a penis or vagina even relevant here? How does that determine what a healthy family is? Family is about human bonds, not what a penis or vagina can do.

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Quote:It's not abnormal when it happens all the time, in humans, and in other species. It's a natural behavior. If you don't like that, too bad. That's nature. Just because you're straight doesn't mean it's "abnormal".
Natural or not. I never said its unnatural. I merely stated that its abnormal. Meaning, contrary to its purpose.

Did you know the clitoris has no other purpose other than sexual gratification? Has no bearing on reproduction whatsoever. Genitals evolved to be pleasured and humans derive pleasure in many different ways. Homosexual acts fulfill that purpose, too.

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Quote:There is nothing there that says that a child must have a man and a woman as a parent in order to be raised properly. It's all assumption. Family is more than your biological egg and sperm donors. Also, the gay parents that I know? They are raising their own biological children. Gay people have children, it happens all the time.
Yes, because that wasn't the question. You asked me how I determined the norm for the familial institution and I answer your question.
Quote:They are raising their own biological children. Gay people have children, it happens all the time.
Since you mean like "their", I'm assuming that you refer to a couple. But since that is biologically impossible, I'm guessing that in case of lesbians one either went to a sperm bank, or in case of gays, they found a surrogate mother, and one donated his sperm to do it.
Happens all the time, right?

Actually, many gay people have children with opposite-sex partners. Yes, gay people have straight sex because sexuality isn't black and white. Sometimes they question their sexuality, sometimes they're bi, sometimes they're afraid to come out of the closet so they try to start a nuclear family. They are people, too.

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Quote:While it may have been the most common way to raise a family, it was not the only way. Humanity has had many different versions of the family unit throughout it's history, and society didn't crumble. You are acting like someone born into a certain religion claiming that all other religions are wrong, but yours is right because that's how you've been raised.
To be honest, I have difficulties picturing where on earth there is any other definition of a "normal" family than a father, mother and child?

You should come out of the narrow hole more often, then.

Quote:As I said before, it is considered normal mainly due to the fact that a child is born only through the sexual union of two people. The logical thing would be for the child to be raised by its biological parents. Why is that so hard to accept?

Why is it so hard for you to accept that the world is not black and white and human interaction is incredibly varied and complex? I'm sorry if that scares you, but that's real life.

Quote:In time, this has been applied to adoptions, where people that fit the above mentioned description have taken children that were not biologically related to them as their own.
Gays were never part of this.

Yes, they are.

Quote:Why do you have to force them into the institution?

Because they deserve to have happy families just like every one else, and there is nothing wrong with it. Why are you so against a child having loving parents? Because you don't like the idea of butt sex?

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Quote:there are many types of family. What you describe is a 'nuclear' family, and you believe it is the "right" one, which is ridiculous. There is no "right" family. There are extended families, blended families, polygamous families, gay families, etc.
Extended families are based on the nuclear family.
One such family type is a clan or tribe. Its a collective of smaller families, the one we just discussed.
Polygamous families are based on the same principle. The child does not have multiple mothers, it has a single mother, but many step sisters and step brothers.

There are also families with women who have multiple husbands and the children don't know who the father is. And there are families with single parents. None of this explains why gay families are bad. They are just a different kind of family, one that you've decided to be prejudiced against.


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Quote:This is where I tell you to crawl out of your narrow world-view.
I'm fine in my narrow hole. Here, degeneracy does not find a place to crawl into.

I think it's already in there.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Quote:Do you have any proof, or is this thought based solely on your bigotry against gays?
Here's the proof. If there were no children to be adopted, the gays wouldn't demand such a ridiculous thing. They couldn't demand such a thing.
They demand it only because its there.
Quote:Ah, I see. Your bigotry and warped view of gays. Gotcha.
You didn't address my point.
The gays demand to be allowed to adopt children, so I do have to agree with their demands, mainly because they demand it.

Quote:They are PEOPLE. Holy shit, they belong to families and raise their own biological children, sometimes. They are a part of families, just not the nuclear family that you hold in such high esteem. Stop acting like gay people are weirdos who want to steal other people's babies, it's insane.
You still do not address my point.
Gays had no part in any type of family that defined the generations that have came previously, and still do not have no part in the family that defines today's generations.
Quote:Stop speaking for gay people. You obviously know nothing about them or what they think or want or feel. And you know nothing about all the wonderful children raised by gay parents, either. Do yourself a favor and stop talking. It's embarrassing.
They did not, this is a historical fact.
Most of them still don't as it seems.
What they feel is irrelevant to me. What they want on the other hand, is unacceptable in this case.
And I don't understand how you refer to the children as "wonderful" the whole time. What? They all made it to MIT or Harvard or something?
Quote:No, you're stating your opinion - and opinions, remember, are like arseholes. Everyone has one and they're usually full of shit.
Here we go. Its always me who is stating an opinion and you who is stating a fact. I can never state a fact. It seems to be as though it is only you who has all the facts.
Quote:It's no secret that my Sam and I were trying for years to conceive children naturally. That we never managed it despite expending enough energy trying to do so to power an impressive-sized nation would strongly suggest that we were not meant to be parents. Would you deny infertile couples such as us the chance to adopt children on that basis, or is it okay because neither of us was fully gay?
Well, don't make this about you. You were born with the necessary tools to have children, but via a twist of fate, something went wrong with one of you. For your case, its bad luck. For gays, its biological impossibility.

And yes, children should be given to people that have the fit the necessary standards. The most fundamental one being that one of you is male, and one of you is female. Father and mother.

You're bringing an irrelevant subject into the discussion. I never said anything about infertile couples. As a matter of fact, adoptions are mainly done by people who are infertile.
But gays are not infertile, infertility means that something went wrong and that a person that should normally be able to procreate cannot. Gays never could procreate with eachother in the first place.
Quote:Why? Aren't same-sex partners also human? Do they not share in the society of their species?

And what, exactly, differentiates "their type of "parenting" " from any other?
They are more like a society within a society. But that really matters little. Their type of parenting can only find recognition in their society.
Not in contemporary society.
Whatever. In a family, the father and mother have different roles. A child instinctively needs a mother, who fulfills one role, and a father, who fulfills another role. I fairly don't think that gays can actually live up to the roles that have been part of the normal family structure. They'll probably only going to be a cheap imitation of it, a mere mockery of what a family really is.
A mother is softer, more loving, compassionate and has a different sway over her children, whereas a father is a bit more authoritarian, presenting a figure of strength and providence, he's someone the kids can look up to, especially for boys.

How do you presume that the gays fulfill both of the roles? Or are they going to find a different way of doing things?
As I said, since they never were a part of the familial institution, they too don't know what to do. The best they can do is to merely try to emulate normal families, but frankly, they can't.
Quote:I already posted links to articles detailing same-sex couplings in nature. Your argument has no legs.
My argument wasn't directed to couplings, my arguments were directed towards child bearing and raising.
Quote:To reiterate my earlier question: why, do you suppose, do they want it? And who are you to deny them the same basic human experiences and freedoms that 'normal' people (like you, perhaps?) exercise daily without a first thought, let alone a second?
Freedom?
I'm sorry, is this about them, or is this about children?
Its all about them, right. This whole adoption thing is just another way for them to establish their "freedom".
Its about them establishing a new definition of what is normal, and kids are their weapons, as it seems.

Really, I don't know what to say. I already know what this is all about.
This is why I oppose it.
Quote:Hey, here's an idea: don't want a same-sex relationship? Don't fucken have one. You might not believe this, but until the day comes when armed squads arrive at your door, looking fabulous in their sleeveless pastel crop-tops, arseless black PVC pants and slingbacks, forcing you at gunpoint to marry a huge bear of a man and adopt legions of babies, you are perfectly free to run your own bigoted life the way you usually do.
Its an affront to give these children under the custody of people that have such a relationship.
You're practically sacrificing the children simply to make these people feel better about themselves.
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#33
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Mehmet, this is exactly the sort of thing that earned you a place on my ignore list in the past. How I wish I still had the option. Since I don't, I'm forced to ignore you and your obscene opinions the old-fashioned way (never mind, you like tradition don't you?). I shall leave you to carry on burrowing further into your narrow little hole with your own virtual teeth. Who knows, maybe you'll bite your tongue and poison yourself with your own venom.

Goodbye and good luck you sack of shit.
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#34
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Quote:And sometimes natural is good. And since homosexuality has been around since the dawn of humanity, it's not exactly abnormal, either.
Yeah, so has been cleft lips. Homosexuality serves no practical purpose to anyone, unlike heterosexuality, which is actually a productive enterprise.
It is an abnormality, a defect.
It's nature gone wrong, man.
Quote:So what? Why is the biological function of a penis or vagina even relevant here? How does that determine what a healthy family is? Family is about human bonds, not what a penis or vagina can do.
You were not talking about families in your post. So this was not directed to that particular question. I merely explained that the male and female sexual organs have a practical purpose, that is to bring forth children.
Quote:Did you know the clitoris has no other purpose other than sexual gratification? Has no bearing on reproduction whatsoever. Genitals evolved to be pleasured and humans derive pleasure in many different ways. Homosexual acts fulfill that purpose, too.
Yes, I guess its there to actually encourage reproduction.
Though I'm really not in the mood to debate the debauchery of others.
Quote:Actually, many gay people have children with opposite-sex partners. Yes, gay people have straight sex because sexuality isn't black and white. Sometimes they question their sexuality, sometimes they're bi, sometimes they're afraid to come out of the closet so they try to start a nuclear family. They are people, too.
Yes, that's another thing. Things are so complicated these days.
After starting a family, they break up and pursue the path of sodomy.
How do you expect parenting from a person that has abandoned his family on his selfish quest?
He not only dishonored himself, but dishonored his former family aswell.

Quote:You should come out of the narrow hole more often, then.
I do, by coming here to hear about what you people have to say.
Quote:Why is it so hard for you to accept that the world is not black and white and human interaction is incredibly varied and complex? I'm sorry if that scares you, but that's real life.
No, human interaction is actually fairly straightforward in my opinion. There only arise a few complications like these, and we're forced to adjust ourselves according to them.
Quote:Yes, they are.
Can you find me any records of gay adoptions before 2000 anywhere?
Really, like two gay dudes going to the adoption centre and telling that they want to adopt a child, and being granted permission to do so.
Quote:Because they deserve to have happy families just like every one else, and there is nothing wrong with it. Why are you so against a child having loving parents? Because you don't like the idea of butt sex?
Oh I agree. If they want to have families, they should do it the way that everyone does. Go and marry a woman, have children.
And yes, that is another thing. Go on to explain that to a child.
Quote:There are also families with women who have multiple husbands and the children don't know who the father is. And there are families with single parents. None of this explains why gay families are bad. They are just a different kind of family, one that you've decided to be prejudiced against.
Wow, that's fucked up. How on earth did they get a marriage certified anywhere for that?
And more importantly, what kind of an emasculated donkey would hop on such a train? Sharing your woman? Such people are not worthy of being called a man, let alone being called a father.
But frankly such "families" which I'd refrain from calling so, are probably so scarce that they are nowhere to be found in civilized societies.
Multiple husbands Smile How they manage not to kill eachother off, I simply cannot comprehend. Men are created to be competetive and women are created to be selective. Its simply unnatural to have such relations. But these false ideas about free love and other hippy-counter culture crap has really twisted the ways of many.

(May 27, 2014 at 11:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Mehmet, this is exactly the sort of thing that earned you a place on my ignore list in the past. How I wish I still had the option. Since I don't, I'm forced to ignore you and your obscene opinions the old-fashioned way (never mind, you like tradition don't you?). I shall leave you to carry on burrowing further into your narrow little hole with your own virtual teeth. Who knows, maybe you'll bite your tongue and poison yourself with your own venom.

Goodbye and good luck you sack of shit.
That's all you do, of course. If we were friends on facebook, you'd probably unfriend me, and I wouldn't care. "You hurt my feelings Sad I'm unfriending you!"
Shit...What is with you people, really? Typical liberal etiquette I guess.
As for obscenity, I guess the only "obscene" thing I wanted was for children to have a father and a mother! Its impossible! How can anyone think like that!
Really, you are mad, you are all raving mad!
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 11:37 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Yeah, so has been cleft lips. Homosexuality serves no practical purpose to anyone, unlike heterosexuality, which is actually a productive enterprise.
It is an abnormality, a defect.
It's nature gone wrong, man.

Come on out the closet, mehmet. It's so beyond obvious you're in there and you shouldn't be ashamed of what you really are.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Mehm, brosef....has it occurred to you that your suspicions about the motives of "teh gayz" apply equally as well to heterosexual couples?
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Oh shit, welcome back, dude. It's been a long time.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:mehmet, normal, nowadays isn't that.
Normal is a loving family.
You don't define normal via emotions.
You define it via reality and facts.
Sure, and facts state that normal families are loving ones.

Is an abusive family a normal thing?
Would you prefer a child to be raised by someone who constantly beats it, or someone who loves it?

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: The fact is, the norm of the familial institution and parenting were long defined on the basis of human biology. All children are born from women. It is only logical that they are raised by women. The duty of a man used to be to provide for both the woman and the child. Nowadays, though, the norm shifted towards both parents working, mainly due to the changes in economy, one parent is usually not enough to support the family, while providing their children with a future.
Yes, I agree.... but we are dealing with adoptions. Not with standard biological parents... it is possible that homosexual people become parents, and it has indeed happened, but it's not "natural" for a homosexual couple to become pregnant and give birth to a child.

Concerning adoptions, however, I see no problem in leaping over that detail, if we can provide a loving family for a child instead of an abusive one, or an overcrouded one which are the typical foster homes... then why not?

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But the norms regarding parentage have not changed, nor will they ever change.
A child needs a man and a woman to be conceived, and a child needs both a father and a mother to be raised as a well-adjusted member of society.
That is the optimum, I agree.
However, a child in need of adoptive parents is not exactly near that optimum. Isn't it better to give them a loving family, instead of none?

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:Abnormal is what those kids had: a brutal family and little prospects of them becoming anything more than delinquents.
One wrong does not justify another.
The other is far from wrong.
(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:Many kids, nowadays, are raised by single parents, and yet.... I see no one claiming that's wrong or abnormal....
I am. Its not only abnormal, its not in the best interests of neither the children, nor the parents. Single parents often have difficulties handling the children, all the while working to support them.
Yes they do have difficulties.... I am such a child of a single parent... I should know, huh?
Still, it seems it was better for me to be the child of a single parent than to have been the cause for their continued co-living, as they would have just been at each other's throats all the time.
I shudder to think of what I would have become, if I had remained in such a hateful environment.

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:I see no one forcing people to stay together, so they raise the kids properly....
Actually children are one of the reasons why some marriages keep on going. People actually realize that their kids are more important than whatever trivial problems they have with another, so they try to work it out, for the sake of the children. And I'd say that no child of divorce is happy to see their parents split up. No one is happy to see their father bring in a "new mom" into the house or otherwise...
Most of the time, when a marriage is not hampered by actions of a spouse that actually violate the marital contract, such as unfaithfulness or domestic abuse, people with children should display selflessness and try to work their problems out, if not for their own sakes, but for the sake of their children.
What about those cases you mentioned? Those cases where the there is no possible reconciliation?

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:Does it work with single parents? more or less....
No, it works less. It is inefficient.
It worked for me... it works for a lot of people... more or less.
I suppose I'd have become an even better person if I had been a part of a full loving caring family, but I wasn't... and many out there aren't. That's reality. It should be avoided, yes, but sometimes it just can't be.

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:Why would it work any less if there are two parents of the same gender?
There are too many reasons to count. The first is, the children are raised in an environment that they should not be raised in. In a hypothetical world, where there are no kids open for adoption, the idea of gays being parents would be even more absurd than it already is. Its as though as to raise a tiger in an apartment.

But we live in a world where there are kids in orphanages, and these are open to adoption by people who would like to look after them.
Given this, the kids will very soon realize that there is something wrong with this, and they will become confused. The confusion will eventually lead to further things. Not to mention the stigma that a child will most certainly face from other members of society.
By actually advocating this, you're sacrificing these children so that gays can feel better about themselves.
That stigma is brought upon by people like you. It exists because gay adoptive parents is a rare event. We are just beginning this process.
A few years ago, the same could be said of mixed race marriage.... Today, however, that stigma has subsided. The one we're addressing can subside too, if society is willing.
And I see a lot of people willing to move society to that level... I also see some who think like you do... let's try to move past preconceptions, shall we? Let's give it a try and see the outcome... in my previous post, I said there are no scientific studies as to the outcome, but there are some cases which can be analyzed...


(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote: As far as I see it, the only "problem" the kid will have is that it will grow up to be fully tolerant of gay people.
From the way I see it, I'm sure the kid may very well grow up to hate gays.
The door swings both ways...
Humanity is complex, yes that can happen, but would it be the norm?

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:Some may claim there's an increased chance that the kid will become gay itself... I haven't seen any studies hinting in that direction (nor any other direction), but a person's sexuality doesn't seem to hinge on social pressures....
Well, that is not my point, though I'm sure that the gays will try to raise the child as their "own" in very much the same way normal people do.
Normal people instinctively want their children to be like them.
And so do gays, I presume. Its really nothing more than wishful thinking to assume that gays will allow their child to freely pick their sexual orientation.
Not that it will, as you said, make the child gay, but it will probably make the child hate his/her parents even more later on.
Like I said earlier, nowadays, gays still strive to become accepted. They strive for their sexual orientation to be acknowledged as something natural over which they have no conscious control.
Given this awareness, would it make sense for them to lead a child to become gay against the child's natural orientation?
Once more, sure it can happen, so it will most certainly happen... but will it be the norm?

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:The gay couple, at least for now, may tend to encourage the kid (when the time comes) to explore his/her sexuality to the fullest, in order to find the best partner possible... but that doesn't mean that the kid will become gay.
Well, that's another thing. This whole wishful thinking is just hurting to the bone.
The appointed time, as you have said, will probably come earlier than with other kids, as I'm sure that gay parents will have a lot of difficulties explaining their "children" how babies are made.
Like standard parents don't?... Tongue
It's because of gays that the stork myth was invented, huh?

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: And how they were forced to adopt him/her because they couldn't make their own.
"forced"? Don't you think you're trying to hard to make a negative case?
Take a step back, deep breath... and think.

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: The children will probably figure the rest out by themselves.
Its really not a good place for a kid to grow up. I'd say they're better off in an orphanage.
Well, then, you're wrong.
As far as I'm aware, orphanages have been extinguished, replaced by foster homes, where one family takes in a few kids so they live until "the system" finds an adoptive family for them. It's a place where kids come and go, based on the willingness of a few families to take care of those kids.
It's not a caring loving dedicated family, but it's better than the classical orphanages...

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:These people tend to be the most respectful of others' sexualities, so I foresee little to no trouble in the kids future, on that subject.
Again, a lot of wishful thinking. However, that's not even my point. I'm not concerned whether they will force the child to be gay like themselves or not.
The children will probably emulate what they see from their parents early on. Like, a boy having a crush on boys in elementary school.
Yeah, the epitome of tolerance and progress.
Yeah... like that happens... -.-'

(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
Quote:On every other subject, two parents are always better than one.
They have to be parents first. Gay people do not qualify.

Adoptive parents, mehmet.

BTW, I hinted at some cases where kids have been raised by a homosexual couple. Here, educate yourself:




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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(May 27, 2014 at 8:43 pm)Mothonis_Cathicgal Wrote: Nope normal is defined by emotion in this sense.Unless they are abused,disadvantaged,or poor they have a normal life.Denying people based solely on the fact that they are of the same sex is a extremely lousy excuse.
I'm not denying a child his candy.
I'm merely stating a fact. Gay people should not be parents, merely due to the fact that they were not meant to be parents. Their type of "parenting" and "family" are do not have a place in human society, nor in nature.
If there was any type of logic behind it, I could perhaps understand. The only logic is that they want it(their excuse). They want to "have" children.
This amounts to redefining important social institutions according to the wishes of a minority that were never a part of it to begin with.

We have to reconfigure everything according to how they would wish it. Now instead of propagating the ideal of a family with a father and mother, we should think of every possible combination that can occur to us. Why? Merely because they want it. They are like children themselves, how do you expect them to look after children?

They do not even know the responsibilities. And they do not care about whatever hardships the child might face in the future.
I based my arguments on two things: the fate of the familial institution, meaning, the basis of human society and future, and the fate of children.
Most of the arguments of the opposing side only arise from mere demand.
The claims are without foundation and basis.

To be even more honest, this demand is now giving rise to whole new degeneracies. Gays buying children from less-fortunate countries, paying women to be surrogates. It is absolutely disgusting. I think that this whole madness needs to stop.
Its unethical on so many degrees that it cannot be whitewashed.

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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Mehmet,
Do you ever stop and consider that there are more homosexuals in the world than there are Turks? Can't wait to hear why you think god makes it thus.

You keep droning on and on about reproduction. Where do you think homosexuals come from?
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