do you believe in the illuminati? what do you think of my idea?

[Rampant.A.I.]

What Rampant posted is the propaganda to deflect the truth.

Illuminists are both religious and political.
Just as the Catholic church and the Muslims are.
You know- like a Tootsie Roll.
The outer shell hides the secret within.

When the Devil (Lucifer) offered all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus, in return for worship, he got shown the door.

For most of us the Devil only needs to throw out a few trinkets to pacify us.

The Elete/ Illuminati have bowed down for bigger trinkets- power, prestige, fame.
The pride of life, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes.

The great writer of Masonry (co- partners with the Shriners, Bilderburgers, Trilateral Commission, the Vatican Elete, etc) Albert Pike, wrote in his Masonic book "Morals and Dogma" that the god they worship is Lucifer.
This is one reason why Masonry is constructed like concentric circles with curses pronounced upon oneself if one strays.
The outer circles have no clue to the reality of the inner circles. Like a trap.

The highest level in Masonry is 33- corresponding to the 33 % of angels who became devils.

The purpose of the UN is what? World govt.
The purpose of the Trilateralists is what? World trade.
The Bilderburger meetings are secret/ invite only. Why?
The Club of Rome was for what? World govt.
The desire of the Vatican is one world religion under itself.
Collusion? Conspiracy?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

I'm not disputing the Builderburger meetings and others being held in secret or the agenda of the Vatican as bullshit.

I've repeatedly mentioned that the bible as assembled by a voting committee by the Vatican or other groups makes zero sense, when they know (and in some cases have originals of) historic gospels that were voted out as "non-canon" because they contradict the already contradictory narrative of the bible.

However, as an historic group, there is factual information about the Illuminati by scholars studying the original group, and recovered writings, woodcuttings and other texts by members of the actual group that do not ever mention satanic rituals of any kind, talk about the danger of such superstition and supernatural beliefs to the enlightenment movement, and freeing the population from religious indoctrination and what amounts to mind control.

Which ironically, is exactly what you're accusing the historic group of being about, and if you look at the history of the Christianity on the whole; let alone the Vatican, the message has been warped from one of love and the pursuit of knowledge, to dogmatic adherence to doctrines and dogmas even the people writing them, and the educated clergy know are historical garbage propaganda.

Then again, I don't expect to have a serious conversation about this with someone who believes UFOs are piloted by demons, but...

The historical Illuminati, Rosicrucians, Gnostics, and other secret groups are far more interesting than the modern conspiracy theories cobbled together by people who don't even know the origins and history of their own religions, which are themselves, propaganda, and contain "beliefs" added by deliberately ordained rewrites by historic rulers and monarchs who, for instance, changed wording in a "holy" document because they wanted to get divorced.

How many other things do you think were added in by those in power at the time for personal gain?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Yea, Beccs will set you straight. Sure.

Illuminati comes from the "illumined one" Lucifer (means light bearer, I think).
The name Adam Wisehaupt comes to my mind.
A Jewish man linked to the Masons' views.
Because atheists reject all supernatural, they cannot accept the idea of high level people who worship Lucifer.

FALSE

You've conflated the rejection of the supernatural to the rejection of people believing in the supernatural.

Look at you. You believe in all sorts of utter bollocks. Believing in this Lucifer thing is small change in comparison to that.

Do your own research.
There is enough to keep you busy for quite a while.
The culmination of their "New world Order" and a single world leader and spiritual religious leader is in their plan.
They are not nice.
You would be wise to do some looking before you cozy up to those who consider you their slaves and food.

Yeah.

Look up all this shit on google. All these super secret societies that may have existed for thousands of years (or whatever).

BUT NO WORRIES! I've done a quick google search and I've sorted all that shit out myself.

[Losty]

What Rampant posted is the propaganda to deflect the truth.

Illuminists are both religious and political.
Just as the Catholic church and the Muslims are.
You know- like a Tootsie Roll.
The outer shell hides the secret within.

When the Devil (Lucifer) offered all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus, in return for worship, he got shown the door.

For most of us the Devil only needs to throw out a few trinkets to pacify us.

The Elete/ Illuminati have bowed down for bigger trinkets- power, prestige, fame.
The pride of life, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes.

The great writer of Masonry (co- partners with the Shriners, Bilderburgers, Trilateral Commission, the Vatican Elete, etc) Albert Pike, wrote in his Masonic book "Morals and Dogma" that the god they worship is Lucifer.
This is one reason why Masonry is constructed like concentric circles with curses pronounced upon oneself if one strays.
The outer circles have no clue to the reality of the inner circles. Like a trap.

The highest level in Masonry is 33- corresponding to the 33 % of angels who became devils.

The purpose of the UN is what? World govt.
The purpose of the Trilateralists is what? World trade.
The Bilderburger meetings are secret/ invite only. Why?
The Club of Rome was for what? World govt.
The desire of the Vatican is one world religion under itself.
Collusion? Conspiracy?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

You'll have to forgive me for posting this gif again in less than a week but I love The Wizard of Oz, it's not my fault you guys keep referencing it.

[No_God]

Of course there are elite secret societies. There's hundreds of them around the world.

Do they hold as much power as conspiracy theorists claim? I don't really know.

[MountainsWinAgain]

I think it would be cool if satan and stuff was real and we could help them if only because god seems to have let us down and at least we can see super natural stuff, it would be pretty cool I think, and maybe satan isn't so bad and might be better than a god that does nothing to help.

What the hell man Satan is good,he like punishes bad people this makes him automatically a good guy,and he actually does something unlike god that stupid birded gringo.

[DarkHorse]

Every celebrity is apparently in cahoots with the Illuminati. I pay no attention to it.

[Cato]

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What Rampant posted is the propaganda to deflect the truth.

Illuminists are both religious and political.
Just as the Catholic church and the Muslims are.
You know- like a Tootsie Roll.
The outer shell hides the secret within.

When the Devil (Lucifer) offered all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus, in return for worship, he got shown the door.

For most of us the Devil only needs to throw out a few trinkets to pacify us.

The Elete/ Illuminati have bowed down for bigger trinkets- power, prestige, fame.
The pride of life, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes.

The great writer of Masonry (co- partners with the Shriners, Bilderburgers, Trilateral Commission, the Vatican Elete, etc) Albert Pike, wrote in his Masonic book "Morals and Dogma" that the god they worship is Lucifer.
This is one reason why Masonry is constructed like concentric circles with curses pronounced upon oneself if one strays.
The outer circles have no clue to the reality of the inner circles. Like a trap.

The highest level in Masonry is 33- corresponding to the 33 % of angels who became devils.

The purpose of the UN is what? World govt.
The purpose of the Trilateralists is what? World trade.
The Bilderburger meetings are secret/ invite only. Why?
The Club of Rome was for what? World govt.
The desire of the Vatican is one world religion under itself.
Collusion? Conspiracy?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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[leodeo]

Lol! What you guys think about the people on youtube screaming about how Justin bieber, beyonce, and other celebs are demon possessed? have you guys seen those videos? It kinda makes me hate them because they got hundreds of thousands of people following them, and I''d bet they don't even believe in their own bulshit, but are making good money off stupid people on youtube.

The irony is, if you go through the comments, the people who believe beyonce is demon possessed are telling people who don't believe, that they are delusional and need to wake up lol.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Of course there are elite secret societies. There's hundreds of them around the world.

Do they hold as much power as conspiracy theorists claim? I don't really know.

Any "secret society" claiming lineage from historical secret groups to boost membership, probably has little to no power.

I have mason relatives in the family. Most of the "power" involved is a trade swap.

[Bob Kelso]

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What Rampant posted is the propaganda to deflect the truth.

Illuminists are both religious and political.
Just as the Catholic church and the Muslims are.
You know- like a Tootsie Roll.
The outer shell hides the secret within.

When the Devil (Lucifer) offered all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus, in return for worship, he got shown the door.

For most of us the Devil only needs to throw out a few trinkets to pacify us.

The Elete/ Illuminati have bowed down for bigger trinkets- power, prestige, fame.
The pride of life, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes.

The great writer of Masonry (co- partners with the Shriners, Bilderburgers, Trilateral Commission, the Vatican Elete, etc) Albert Pike, wrote in his Masonic book "Morals and Dogma" that the god they worship is Lucifer.
This is one reason why Masonry is constructed like concentric circles with curses pronounced upon oneself if one strays.
The outer circles have no clue to the reality of the inner circles. Like a trap.

The highest level in Masonry is 33- corresponding to the 33 % of angels who became devils.

The purpose of the UN is what? World govt.
The purpose of the Trilateralists is what? World trade.
The Bilderburger meetings are secret/ invite only. Why?
The Club of Rome was for what? World govt.
The desire of the Vatican is one world religion under itself.
Collusion? Conspiracy?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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You say "World govt." like it's a bad thing.

The entirety of the world working together as one? Oh, the humanity!