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Even in Victorian times, Christianity was judged by evangalists to have failed. They could not get the urban working class to attend church en masse.
Islam has been in the doldrums for a couple of hundred years. Every country that has tried to base it's laws and politics on Islam is a failure.
That's why the fundies all over the world are rising up. Because they are afraid.
I think these next few years will be the last gasp for religion. This century will be about all the resources running out. When the oil runs out and we suddenly realise it's too late to find ways to share wealth and feed everybody nobody will give a shit about the bible thumper or the imam shouting in the corner. That's my opinion.
It's not immoral to eat meat, abort a fetus or love someone of the same sex...I think that about covers it
Not nearly finished enough, as far as I'm concerned. Christianity is slowly dying out in the West but is now gaining footholds in other parts of the world as they desperately scramble to gain more followers in the third world.
Unfortunately it is, in many Western nations, being replaced by New Age weirdness and cults.
(June 5, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Beccs Wrote: Not nearly finished enough, as far as I'm concerned. Christianity is slowly dying out in the West but is now gaining footholds in other parts of the world as they desperately scramble to gain more followers in the third world.
Unfortunately it is, in many Western nations, being replaced by New Age weirdness and cults.
Christianity is gaining new footholds, but these are often places which are often starved of necessary things for large numbers of people. Donations to Christian charities are funds used by the church to buy the souls of the desperate and the hungry.
The thing is, they don't need the spiritual bullshit, and when they don't need the handouts, they won't need the church at all.
(June 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)vodkafan Wrote: Even in Victorian times, Christianity was judged by evangalists to have failed. They could not get the urban working class to attend church en masse.
Islam has been in the doldrums for a couple of hundred years. Every country that has tried to base it's laws and politics on Islam is a failure.
That's why the fundies all over the world are rising up. Because they are afraid.
I think these next few years will be the last gasp for religion. This century will be about all the resources running out. When the oil runs out and we suddenly realise it's too late to find ways to share wealth and feed everybody nobody will give a shit about the bible thumper or the imam shouting in the corner. That's my opinion.
too many inaccuracies.
The Brits were always scoffers but then again during the Victorian Era ,missionaries were riding high everywhere else.
Could be what made the Brits look outside their island.
In the usa the fundies were also doing well.
More church going Christians in China than in Europe.
June 5, 2014 at 9:06 pm (This post was last modified: June 5, 2014 at 9:09 pm by Napoléon.)
(June 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)vodkafan Wrote: Islam has been in the doldrums for a couple of hundred years. Every country that has tried to base it's laws and politics on Islam is a failure.
I must be living in a different time period. Yes, Islamic countries are for the most part barbaric, but they are not all failures. UAE, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia they are all doing reasonably well for themselves.
And Islam itself hasn't really been in the doldrums, or at least that isn't the impression I got. I thought it was still the fastest growing religion in the world?
Quote:Islam is found to be the fastest growing religion in the world
Quote:In terms of absolute numbers, irreligion appears to be increasing (along with secularization generally).[94] Even so, it is decreasing as a percentage of the world population, due primarily to population increases in more religious developing countries outpacing population growth (or decline) in less religious developed countries. (See the geographic distribution of atheism.)
(June 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)vodkafan Wrote: Islam has been in the doldrums for a couple of hundred years. Every country that has tried to base it's laws and politics on Islam is a failure.
I must be living in a different time period. Yes, Islamic countries are for the most part barbaric, but they are not all failures. UAE, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia they are all doing reasonably well for themselves.
And Islam itself hasn't really been in the doldrums, or at least that isn't the impression I got. I thought it was still the fastest growing religion in the world?
Quote:Islam is found to be the fastest growing religion in the world
Quote:In terms of absolute numbers, irreligion appears to be increasing (along with secularization generally).[94] Even so, it is decreasing as a percentage of the world population, due primarily to population increases in more religious developing countries outpacing population growth (or decline) in less religious developed countries. (See the geographic distribution of atheism.)
(June 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)vodkafan Wrote: Even in Victorian times, Christianity was judged by evangalists to have failed. They could not get the urban working class to attend church en masse.
Islam has been in the doldrums for a couple of hundred years. Every country that has tried to base it's laws and politics on Islam is a failure.
That's why the fundies all over the world are rising up. Because they are afraid.
I think these next few years will be the last gasp for religion. This century will be about all the resources running out. When the oil runs out and we suddenly realise it's too late to find ways to share wealth and feed everybody nobody will give a shit about the bible thumper or the imam shouting in the corner. That's my opinion.
No, religion is not finished. Religion prospers wherever there is poverty, inequity, fatalism, lack of realistic prospect for self improvement, and a lack of collective will to fight superstition.
Religion is attracted and thrives on disappointment and social upheaval the same way blowflies are attracted to and thrives on corpses.
Unfortunately, with climate change and on-going major reordering of world's distribution of wealth and productivity, 21st century will not want for social upheaval, disappointment, poverty, inequity, and the lack of realistic prospect for self-improvement. Furthermore one down side of collapse of eastern block in the 20th century is the diminution of the collective will to fight the form of superstition embodied in established religions. So 21st century will likely not be the century in which religion dies.
(June 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)vodkafan Wrote: Even in Victorian times, Christianity was judged by evangalists to have failed. They could not get the urban working class to attend church en masse.
Islam has been in the doldrums for a couple of hundred years. Every country that has tried to base it's laws and politics on Islam is a failure.
That's why the fundies all over the world are rising up. Because they are afraid.
I think these next few years will be the last gasp for religion. This century will be about all the resources running out. When the oil runs out and we suddenly realise it's too late to find ways to share wealth and feed everybody nobody will give a shit about the bible thumper or the imam shouting in the corner. That's my opinion.
No, religion is not finished. Religion prospers wherever there is poverty, inequity, fatalism, lack of realistic prospect for self improvement, and a lack of collective will to fight superstition.
Religion is attracted and thrives on disappointment and social upheaval the same way blowflies are attracted to and thrives on corpses.
Unfortunately, with climate change and on-going major reordering of world's distribution of wealth and productivity, 21st century will not want for social upheaval, disappointment, poverty, inequity, and the lack of realistic prospect for self-improvement. Furthermore one down side of collapse of eastern block in the 20th century is the diminution of the collective will to fight the form of superstition embodied in established religions. So 21st century will likely not be the century in which religion dies.
so why is religion becoming more passe in the usa? with all social levels? rich- poor ..
(June 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)vodkafan Wrote: Even in Victorian times, Christianity was judged by evangalists to have failed. They could not get the urban working class to attend church en masse.
Islam has been in the doldrums for a couple of hundred years. Every country that has tried to base it's laws and politics on Islam is a failure.
That's why the fundies all over the world are rising up. Because they are afraid.
I think these next few years will be the last gasp for religion. This century will be about all the resources running out. When the oil runs out and we suddenly realise it's too late to find ways to share wealth and feed everybody nobody will give a shit about the bible thumper or the imam shouting in the corner. That's my opinion.
too many inaccuracies.
The Brits were always scoffers but then again during the Victorian Era ,missionaries were riding high everywhere else.
Could be what made the Brits look outside their island.
In the usa the fundies were also doing well.
More church going Christians in China than in Europe.
You can't win athie ..
They're welcome to it. So long as it dies in the West - as it's already doing.
