Q about arguments for God's existence.

[Esquilax]

Good to see GC fully embrace the "liar" option I gave him when I first pulled him up on this strawman of his a page ago. It's nice to finally see a christian take responsibility for their vile dishonesty, rather than tapdancing around it.

[Rampant.A.I.]

[Mudhammam]

"He’s the one who runs the earth!
He cradles the whole world in his hand!
If he decided to hold his breath,
every man, woman, and child would die for lack of air."

I'm waiting for the Christians to start arguing that dark energy is actually God's invisible hand.

[archangle]

Why are they all so fucking illogical and idiotic? Moreover, why are so many people dumb enough to be "persuaded" by them?

may because you a fucking dope. They "all" are not bad. its is only the thought that you have the clearity logic and reason that is ass a nine. maybe try growing up.


I think you crying about "them" using observation" kind of shows exactly how limited you are. Kids these days.

[RobbyPants]

Why are they all so fucking illogical and idiotic? Moreover, why are so many people dumb enough to be "persuaded" by them?

The point of apologetics for the most part isn't to pull skeptics into the fold. It's mostly to assure the believers and those on the fence about their presupposed beliefs.

A common topic of sermons in church is that doubts are normal and to have more faith. Christians frequently doubt their own beliefs. The apologetics help them maintain that. It's why Pascal's Wager will get an entire congregation to nod their heads along with it, yet it will immediately get questioned by a skeptic.

[Jackalope]

We can't directly see the supermassive black hole at the center of the milky way, but we nonetheless know that there must be an enormous unseen mass there because of it's effect on nearby stars.

Inference. Look it up.

The same goes for dark matter. We can't see it, we don't yet know what it is, but unless everything we know about gravity and relativity is wrong, there is *something*, a whole lot of something that we can't see.

You can't know that, it's physically unobserved.

GC

So when we observe stars orbiting the center of the galaxy in tight orbits, which under both Newtonian mechanics and relativity could only happen if there were an enormous mass there, that counts as not observation?

Gravitational lensing?

The list goes on.

GC apparently thinks he's got a better handle on physics than Newton and Einstein. Truly we are in the presence of genius. I bet he didn't even need to look up what inference is like I suggested.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[Rampant.A.I.]

[Godscreated]

You can't know that, it's physically unobserved.

GC

No that's not how observations work in science. You don't have to physically observe something for its effects to be tested and measured, and not all observations have to be made visually; in fact hardly any scientific observation is visual.

But that's what you require of God, seems you are setting a double standard.

GC

[Jackalope]

No that's not how observations work in science. You don't have to physically observe something for its effects to be tested and measured, and not all observations have to be made visually; in fact hardly any scientific observation is visual.

But that's what you require of God, seems you are setting a double standard.

GC

Seems like you've erected a strawman, or have a reading comprehension problem.