A Serious Question For Theists

[Bad Wolf]

Dodge, dip, dive, duck and .....dodge!
P.S. How fucking dare you presume to know what anyone else thinks. Arrogant prick.
P.P.S. There was a big paragraph posted by Esquilax, did you miss it? Or are you simply incapable of mounting any kind of rebuttal?

Be prepared for another disappointing answer.

[Esquilax]

If that were true, you would stop showcasing and go look up the word and see that it explains why. I've linked it for you, you have no excuse.

I looked, and then if you look, you'll see I corrected you: we're talking about evidence in general, not merely empirically measured scientific standards. At least, that's what I was talking about when I made the first statement you responded to, the idea that you should need some indication of a thing before you believe it exists.

Was this really just one long exercise in demonstrating how poor your reading comprehension is?

I suspect though that you're far more interested in stroking your ego.

Goodness, we wouldn't want anyone doing that would we!

[ska88]

And you shall know that I'm so convinced with faith and religion .. and what you say about faith and believers doesn't really effect me

You may think this is admirable, but an unshakable faith only tells me that you are not open to correction in case you are wrong.

Think of it this way. If you are wrong, how can you tell you are wrong?

No No No I'm actually against shutting new ideas .. I like to think the opposite way all the time.. and "what if I'm wrong".. is my favorite question.

You can see that from my avater I think

The thing is that I already did my homework.. I already asked the question what if God didn't really exist long time ago.. and what they've been telling me .. is really really old .. I've been there! had the same conversations before.

I'm open to "new" ideas .. if there are any.

and I know that some of you probably read about Islam before and I know that there tuns of information.. the whole Quran is there online and many pictures are available on youtube.. if you want its there go for it!

I'm actually here to study some ideas.. I want to know why there are atheists!! how they think.. I actually classified atheists already

and I'm so open to talk with people who are different than me and understand them so easily ... with an open heart.

even if I'm trying to convert you then that should be because I love you and wish you a better life.. So why being violent and impolite ??

I don't think I'm better than you .. not at all!! Even my God told me to not judge anyone's faith or say that person is in heaven or in hell.. cuz only God knows.. I don't know what's inside your hearts and minds!! I can't judge you.. NEVER

In answer to your question concerning what makes me an atheist and how atheism has affected my life, it's simply the fact that there are no observable/testable evidence for the existence of any God, and that the only evidence theists seem to have to offer are in the form of either philosophical arguments that really just amount to word play or subjective experiences that could easily be psychological/emotional experiences.

As to what I get out of being an atheist, it's mainly that I get to live my life the way I see fit without being unwarrantably restricted by certain dogma for which the evidence pointing to its validity is lacking.

I'm also a better person as an atheist than I was as a religious person. For one, I am much more empathetic/understanding towards others (especially homosexuals, transgendered, and women) than I was before. I also don't feel I have a reason to feel superior to anyone anymore. And I have become a much honest person than ever before. When I was religious, I was continually enabled by the fellow religious to be intellectually dishonest and not give heed to the validity of alternate ideas and truths no matter the evidence pointing to them. Nowadays, if you show me real evidence that contradicts what I currently believe on any topic, I am much more open to it and will accommodate my belief accordingly (if not immediately, then gradually and eventually in a relatively short period of time).

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I forgot to add that I'm sorry you lost two babies. Must have been some painful experiences for you.

I think you really became a better person.. really !

I can see that you are so understanding and open minded

and thank you for your concern about my babies that's so kind

[Confused Ape]

[GrandizerII]

The thing is that I already did my homework.. I already asked the question what if God didn't really exist long time ago.. and what they've been telling me .. is really really old .. I've been there! had the same conversations before.

I would suggest you not think homework is over. For me, I may be an atheist now, but that does not mean I must be an atheist for life no matter the evidence made available later on.

even if I'm trying to convert you then that should be because I love you and wish you a better life.. So why being violent and impolite ??

Personally, I don't think you could ever convert me to your faith as I could never see myself accept your god Allah as God, but you could still convince me it's true. All I need is the evidence. No evidence, no reason to believe.

[fr0d0]

I looked, and then if you look, you'll see I corrected you: we're talking about evidence in general, not merely empirically measured scientific standards. At least, that's what I was talking about when I made the first statement you responded to, the idea that you should need some indication of a thing before you believe it exists.

Yes I ignored your dodge.

What evidence besides empirical evidence would you be prepared to accept?

As I've said earlier, your willingness to open the field to include non empirical evidence is a smokescreen. You have no idea what that means, you're just using it as a get out clause.

Still I see you refuse to do any leg work. I guess you're just not interested in anything but your own ideas.

[GrandizerII]

I looked, and then if you look, you'll see I corrected you: we're talking about evidence in general, not merely empirically measured scientific standards. At least, that's what I was talking about when I made the first statement you responded to, the idea that you should need some indication of a thing before you believe it exists.

Yes I ignored your dodge.

What evidence besides empirical evidence would you be prepared to accept?

As I've said earlier, your willingness to open the field to include non empirical evidence is a smokescreen. You have no idea what that means, you're just using it as a get out clause.

Still I see you refuse to do any leg work. I guess you're just not interested in anything but your own ideas.

As far as I know, only empirical evidence seems powerful enough to derive knowledge from. Do you have any other method I don't know of that you believe I should trust?

[fr0d0]

Take a look in the other thread you just posted in irrational.

[Bad Wolf]

Oh look! Another non-answer from frodo! How surprising!

[Esquilax]

Yes I ignored your dodge.

Dodge?! I started the fucking conversation with that line! You can't dodge by referring to the initial point of discussion!

What evidence besides empirical evidence would you be prepared to accept?

As I've said earlier, your willingness to open the field to include non empirical evidence is a smokescreen. You have no idea what that means, you're just using it as a get out clause.

It's not a smokescreen, I am willing to consider the idea of other evidence types; you seem to think that some exist, unless you're being an intractable loon. I'm asking what you think those are, and your utter refusal to engage in the conversation hints at the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

As regards evidence that isn't empirical, I'm prepared to consider pretty much any kind of evidence, presuming that it's in some way informed by reality. That's essentially my only requirement, as claims made without reference to the world that we exist in have no point of origin and no method of verification.

Still I see you refuse to do any leg work. I guess you're just not interested in anything but your own ideas.

This is fascinating: you make a claim, and then spend the rest of your time in the thread tutting at everyone else for not doing the work to support it for you. Is there no end to your bs?