Examples of the atrocities caused by Islam

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Ref. Post #20: Countless muslim women defend the Islamic religion and claim that it gives them a lot of benefits. Since they don't leave the religion they must like it.

Ref. Post #18: I said that the atrocities happen because the victims are unwilling to defend themselves. The picture in Post #13 illustrates that. An unknown number of previously armed soldiers refused to fight the guys who are executing them. The soldiers had the material means to defeat the terrorists but they didn't have the guts to fight so they ended up in a ditch all tied up and getting shot at point-blank range. It's their fault. BTW, both the shooters and the victims in that picture are muslims, which negates the argument that the religion is to blame.

Now smart people will see that picture and they may start to think that it'll be foolish for them to ever surrender since they will suffer the same fate. But people hate to think for themselves and a lot of them will end up in ditches being shot at point-blank range because they were gutless.

Don't blame the religion: blame the victims.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's generally the line that religion offers us in it's defense, sure. Did you ask the guys with the AK's whether or not they thought the guys in the ditch shared their religious beliefs? Uh-huh........

To remove some of the hero and mythmaking with regards to combat, and speaking from experience. Surviving a firefight is less about guts than it is about the number of rounds thrown downrange. There are a finite amount of projectiles in a finite space. As the rate of fire increases the ratio of space filled by projectiles increases. The more people fill that space, and the greater their "target capture" or "sight picture" relative to the angle of enemy fire determines whether or not they get hit by a random or non-random round. In general, insurgents open up with an overwhelming rate of fire (a tactic they cribbed from us, to put it bluntly) and if that doesn't work, they just fade away. All the tanks and guns and guts in the world isn't exactly going to secure you a victory against a tactic like that (which we should know well enough from experience).

As another way of explaining this, take a look at medal of honor recipients. Overwhelmingly post-humous. They had guts oozing out of their eyeballs, completely fearless. They were, to a man - for a brief period of time - hateful spirits of violence moving across the battlefield annihilating their enemies almost by accident. And yet - they are still dead.

I suppose, in short, I'm pointing out how little you seem to know about the realities of armed conflict.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The secret of fighting irregular forces is to always have a means of quickly surrounding them once they attack their target. And then when they are surrounded you kill everyone in the bullseye.

But the most effective way of fighting such forces is to kill their gun runners and money men. Our problem is that they get their stuff and supplies from people who are supposed to be on our side.

[The Grand Nudger]

They could just as easily "get their supplies" by pissing into buckets. Such is the nature of an insurgency.

NH3 + 2 O2 → NO3- + H+ + H2O

"Surrounding" an enemy willing to detonate himself (or others) isn't generally a good idea. Nor is responding to said douchebags moves (giving him the initiative) going to get you past the pillbox.

What's all this happy horseshit about gunrunners and moneymen anyway? We're victim blamers here, and we're gonna stick to it.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Based on observation the current tactics used against the insurgents are ineffective. So maybe it's time to give Ann Coulter's plan a try.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nuke 'em from orbit?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Why is that a problem? If the twits in charge don't have the guts to do it then they should get the hell out of office. The same objective can be accomplished by using a variety of methods but the dummies don't have the guts to use any of them. One day they will find their sorry asses lying in a ditch as one of the bad guys blows their few brain cells out of their ugly heads.

[OceanWave]

Very foolish thread to insinuate that Islam is doing things as opposed to people who claim to follow Islam.

Meanwhile said posters overlook the fact murdering is against Islam as the Quran states.

That's what happens when you have no truth to rely on..you start to spin things yourself with no factual basis.

[Losty]

Very foolish thread to insinuate that Islam is doing things as opposed to people who claim to follow Islam.

Meanwhile said posters overlook the fact murdering is against Islam as the Quran states.

That's what happens when you have no truth to rely on..you start to spin things yourself with no factual basis.

You and I do not agree on the definition of the word truth.


http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

[Zidneya]

Meanwhile said posters overlook the fact murdering is against Islam as the Quran states.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

You were saying?

Oh and if you are planing to use the "Out of context therefore doesn't count card."
Because I have the feeling you are gonna do that.

That's what happens when you have no truth to rely on..you start to spin things yourself with no factual basis.

The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.