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Argument #3: Mutations
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One of our cats has six toes instead of the normal five on each front foot. Since a six-toed cat contains more information than a five-toed cat, clearly, some mutations do indeed increase information.
Rev, do you ever get tired of your 'arguments' being so easily and readily refuted? Boru
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 (June 16, 2014 at 7:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: One of our cats has six toes instead of the normal five on each front foot. Since a six-toed cat contains more information than a five-toed cat, clearly, some mutations do indeed increase information. That's not necessarily true. The number of digits appears to be a function of when and where certain chemical triggers are turned on and off; individual digits themselves aren't necessarily hard-coded into the DNA. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg) 
And a cat with six toes can't properly flip you the bird, which is clearly detrimental.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  (June 16, 2014 at 8:10 pm)rasetsu Wrote:(June 16, 2014 at 7:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: One of our cats has six toes instead of the normal five on each front foot. Since a six-toed cat contains more information than a five-toed cat, clearly, some mutations do indeed increase information. This is an excellent point. It is also why I keep puhing Neil Shubin's Your Inner Fish. Early on in the book he does a great job of explaining how regulatory elements control expression. It's how fins became legs, feet, arms and hands, and how bat wings evolved.
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I think he realizes how shitty this argument was. NEXT!!!!
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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June 17, 2014 at 4:34 am
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I love reading this thread ...I have learnt plenty.
It may have started by with an I'll prepared post but the knowledge shared as a result was well worth it! OK, so evolution is a fact ...that's sound like a robust scientific model. Can I ask, say with sharks, etc they call them the perfect killing machine and say they haven't really evolved since the dinosaur ages. I can understand that as their perfect environment hasn't needed them to change... Does it actually change or mutate as a result of of the environment or is it oblivious to the environment and mutates anyway. Does the idea of the short neck/long neck giraffe still hold. Both mutations were alive and healthy but as food got scarce only the long neck survived simply as a result of the environment. Basically dumb luck ... The DNA obviously didn't know that there's going to be a food shortage in the future. So as far as giraffe DNA is concerned, it has prospered through one of its mutation variants... Basically, when does a species stop evolving?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. 
When it goes extinct.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
I've predicted it in the other Argument threads and it's panning out: Rev777 just can't put together a worthwhile argument.
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Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione RE: Argument #3: Mutations
June 17, 2014 at 11:16 am
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I tingle with antecipation for the nest argument
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