Why do you believe in a God?

[Confused Ape]

[vodkafan]

I'm a Muslim and I don't believe in God, because Allah is not God. . but I do believe there is a Creator and I have no idea what it is all about. My brain is quite small to understand the Creator. However, basically because. . .

1. Because no one can prove the Creator doesn't exists when there is abundance of evidence relating to the existence of supernatural higher intelligence.

2. Because no one can prove at least one thing from the whole universe existed out of nothing, and when everything is subjected to the laws of cause and effect.

3. Because no one can prove that they exists (quatum physics), so maybe we are the one who is not really existed.

4. Because I have nothing to lose. If there is no God, then it is fine. I died and there is no issue. But if there is God, I have followed the rules. Besides, the rules is not so bad.

5. Because it is fun, and God don't ask me to believe in Him, hell, paradise, sin, reward etc. This is the minimum requirement to be a Muslim. He just ask me to be concerned with the practical aspect of life.

It is just my opinion.

Hi muslimatheist, sorry I don't know how to do the multpost thing and break up your post.
I want to argue with point 1: what, then is the "abundant evidence" for a "supernatural intelligence" ?

point 2: The universe may well have come out of nothing. Or it may not. The truth is, we don't know yet. But why is that an argument for god?

point 3: Irrelevant. You are here, I am here . We can only go on what we see and think and feel.

Point 4: it sounds like you are continuing to follow religious rules. Why? Camouflage so as not to stand out? Or to hedge your bets just in case? Then you are not honest with yourself and others and that deceit and lack of integrity will eat you up. And I disagree that the rules are not so hard
. If I believe there is no god then to follow rules like praying five times a day , being righteous in front of others and having part of my cock cut off is too hard.

point 5: Where is the fun in living a lie to other's rules? Ask a muslim woman how much fun it is. She will be too afraid to answer honestly.

[Lek]

Rational people base claims on testable evidence. Not personal testimony. If I gave you personal testimony of something you found unbelievable, and told you it was true, wouldn't you ask for evidence?

I probably would, but if I disagreed with the evidence I wouldn't call you deluded. I might respectfully say I disagree with you. If 9 out of 10 people from different parts of the world tell you they saw the same thing would you tend to believe them or at least seriously consider that they saw it?

[Kitan Etos]

If 9 out of 10 people from different parts of the world tell you they saw the same thing would you tend to believe them or at least seriously consider that they saw it?

Not at all.

It is referred to as mass delusion.

[Lek]

I think that we should be open to scientific discovery as well as the testimonies of the experience of people since the beginning of recorded history. If the overwhelming majority of people have believed in God, I would put a lot of weight on that.

[Ravenshire]

Of course, there will never will be because science automatically rejects the explanations present because of science's limitations.

You know, it's not science's limitations that are the problem.

[Kitan Etos]

If the overwhelming majority of people have believed in God, I would put a lot of weight on that.

That is fallacious thinking. It is referred to as argumentum ad populem.

[Lek]

Of course, there will never will be because science automatically rejects the explanations present because of science's limitations.

You know, it's not science's limitations that are the problem.

Science is limited because it is only able to consider the natural phenomenon, therefore anything outside of the natural realm is irrelevant to a scientist. The scientis just isn't equipped to deal with the study of the supernatural.

[Ravenshire]

I think that we should be open to scientific discovery as well as the testimonies of the experience of people since the beginning of recorded history.

First, personal testimony is worthless because there's no way to test it's veracity.

Second, there's no way in hell you would be open to personal testimony of Zeus, Odin, Thor or any god other than your gawd.

If the overwhelming majority of people have believed in God, I would put a lot of weight on that.

Of course you would (as long as it's your gawd). It's called confirmation bias.

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You know, it's not science's limitations that are the problem.

Science is limited because it is only able to consider the natural order, therefore anything outside of the natural realm is irrelevant to a scientist.

There is nothing outside the "natural realm." The universe is inclusive of all that exists. If your gawd exists, it's part of the universe and therefore part of the "natural realm."

Thanks for playing.

[Lek]

First, personal testimony is worthless because there's no way to test it's veracity.

That doesn't make it worthless. I believe many things other people tell me because I have confidence in the person telling me.

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Second, there's no way in hell you would be open to personal testimony of Zeus, Odin, Thor or any god other than your gawd.

I see this as testimony that they recognized God's existence.

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There is nothing outside the "natural realm." The universe is inclusive of all that exists. If your gawd exists, it's part of the universe and therefore part of the "natural realm."

Thanks for playing.

No. The supernatural is outside of the natural realm. How do you know that there is nothing outside of the natural realm? You don't even know everything that is within the natural realm. Does the universe go on infinitely?