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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 12:13 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:06 am)Rhythm Wrote: Which, again, and for the same reason - would be irrational. But I want to mention here that a persons life has ceased to be evidence, and is now just an "indicator" -in your statements. This is the type of stuff I like to see. Thank you.
You see, no matter how you employ this line of reasoning it is irrational, because the premise and assumptions don't lead to the conclusions. The reason it keeps happening this way has nothing to do with the assumptions. You could put anything in this line of reasoning and all you would get back is garbage. "If you found that I was right" is to say that "if I found out that no god has blessed his life (that's my claim..that's what I would be right about.I am claiming that my life is blessed...because there is no god - that no god has the power to do that, that blessing my life is the sort of thing that no god will, and can do..on and on - that go god's blessings in my life is an indicator of no god's existence. A real and palpable force) - I would abandon belief in god" doesn't even make sense.
I have been asking you whether or not you would accept your line of reasoning - as support of my position. If I argued to you, of my position - using your lines..........do you think that you might be able to pick it apart? Not my position....I'm accepting yours as true to reach conclusions, you can do the same to mine. The argument.
Firstly, I was using "evidence" and "indicator" interchangeably. Why is this irrational? If I see evidence in someone's life that leads me to investigate his beliefs and become an atheist because of that, of course I would give up my theist beliefs. That makes perfect sense. As far as me accepting my own line of reasoning from you as a reason for you being an atheist - since an atheist only deals with natural explanations, I would probably look for natural reasoning from you. If you claimed that it was a supernatural situation, then I would look for supernatural evidence.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:05 pm
:face-palm:
You keep asking me why something is irrational - as a response to a post that explains why that thing is irrational. How many times do we plan on doing this before the money-shot?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Stop using my name in vain, guys.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:23 pm
 ays three our fathers:
my bad, my bad.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:23 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: :face-palm:
You keep asking me why something is irrational - as a response to a post that explains why that thing is irrational. How many times do we plan on doing this before the money-shot?
Sorry - wrong thread.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:28 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:23 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: :face-palm:
You keep asking me why something is irrational - as a response to a post that explains why that thing is irrational. How many times do we plan on doing this before the money-shot?
Sorry - wrong thread.
Feeling a stretched a little thin here? 
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:30 pm
I have to blink twice and squint at the screen at anything before I'm sure I'm in the right thread....personally.
(then I make the sign of the cross)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:33 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I have to blink twice and squint at the screen at anything before I'm sure I'm in the right thread....personally.
(then I make the sign of the cross)
I'll raise you a cross and make a double cross!
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In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:39 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:28 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 1:23 pm)Lek Wrote: Sorry - wrong thread.
Feeling a stretched a little thin here?
It all goes along with being a christian on an atheist forum. I guess I asked for it.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
July 1, 2014 at 1:44 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 1:39 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 1:28 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Feeling a stretched a little thin here?
It all goes along with being a christian on an atheist forum. I guess I asked for it.
All kidding aside. I do think you are rather brave to stay and duke this one out. Especially since you manage to do it without hurling too much invective around.
It's just that if your god exists, he didn't give you much more than a squirt gun with which to face the raw power of empirical reason.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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