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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 2:59 am
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(June 21, 2014 at 2:42 am)Heywood Wrote: If living is the only requirement to be able to be murdered then a fetus can be murdered. Unfortunately, "living" is not the only requirement, or else washing your hands would land you in the klink as a serial killer. You can see how this comparison (that you decided to make) might shine a dingy light on your position?
(there are other requirements as well, for a designation of murder, as a broad offense laws are nearly identical from the fed down. malice aforethought sort of stuff..what you're angling for is more likely to end up sounding like manslaughter)
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 3:38 am
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I think that it's morally wrong to discriminate against gay people and handicapped people. The law supports those.
I can choose to abort a baby on the grounds that it will be disabled or gay. Neither is immoral or illegal.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 3:44 am
I don't know how you would go about establishing that second ground...lol, but it's a nice hail mary.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 3:48 am
If a Christian wants to abort their fetus because it could grow up and turn out gay, that's probably better than the lifetime of abuse that they would otherwise be subject to.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 3:53 am
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Someone said it just a few posts ago rhythm. The only reason I included it.
http://www.gall-holl.com/blog/2013/07/th...-abortion/
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 6:19 am
(June 21, 2014 at 3:53 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Someone said it just a few posts ago rhythm. The only reason I included it.
http://www.gall-holl.com/blog/2013/07/th...-abortion/
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The only thing broken is your pathetic argument.Here is why
Just because you think something is a bad decision doesn't mean you think its inmoral.Pro choice people would still support the moms decision to have an abortion regardless of wether or not its for lousy reasons.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 6:20 am
(June 21, 2014 at 3:38 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I think that it's morally wrong to discriminate against gay people and handicapped people. The law supports those.
I can choose to abort a baby on the grounds that it will be disabled or gay. Neither is immoral or illegal.
The gay abortion is immoral. But if someone would make that choice then they shouldn't be a dad anyway.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 7:07 am
(June 21, 2014 at 3:53 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I think my morality meter just broke Ryan
I've stated elsewhere in this thread that forcing a parent to raise a child that they really don't want is one of those ideas that rarely turns out well for anyone involved, the child most of all.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 8:15 am
(June 21, 2014 at 2:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: (June 21, 2014 at 2:42 am)Heywood Wrote: If living is the only requirement to be able to be murdered then a fetus can be murdered. Unfortunately, "living" is not the only requirement, or else washing your hands would land you in the klink as a serial killer. You can see how this comparison (that you decided to make) might shine a dingy light on your position?
(there are other requirements as well, for a designation of murder, as a broad offense laws are nearly identical from the fed down. malice aforethought sort of stuff..what you're angling for is more likely to end up sounding like manslaughter)
Rhythm what elements must necessarily exist in something for us to say it is morally wrong to kill it?
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 21, 2014 at 4:10 pm
Esquilax, this response will be limited I'm on my break at work typing this on my phone so bear with me if this response is rather limited in scope and content.
Most of your post focuses on a dead human body and that killing that would also be morally wrong. However, I don't belie I need to add anything per se to my definitional argumentation. Your modus ponens is self-referentialy defeating as I stated in my earlier post. The idea of killing a dead human being is philosophically unintelligible and contradictory. It's not that a corpse dosent have rights ( the right to a proper burial, the right not to be mutilated) it's that the very concept of killing necessarily can't apply to dead corpses. Therefore, I believe your objection has no merit.
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