RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 18, 2014 at 10:48 pm
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Abortion is morally wrong
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 (June 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(June 18, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: When the woman's life is in danger I agree a late term abortion is just fine. Heartbreaking, but just fine ethically. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=lf I can still become pregnant (and I don't want to be now) but that is a fast waning possibility. I don't think that that has anything to do with the ethics of the situation. A paraplegic's opinion on murder or rape is not invalid because the the extreme unlikelihood of their being about to commit either crime. Politics is harder. Late term abortion decisions may have to be made on a dime. Endangerment of the mother may be sudden and immediate. Like pre speech prohibition, I think pre-abortion prohibition abhorrent. If it's murder because there's no reason other than I don't want it, then that can be sorted out afterwords. Yeah, my position is ultra nuanced. It makes very few people pro life or pro choice happy. But it is logically consistent. And the reason is respect for human life and the understanding that we owe children a fair start.
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Abortion is not morally wrong, a fetus is no more a person than an egg is a chicken. People have thoughts, and feel emotion. A fetus does not, there is not diversity amoung fetus's, just as there's isnt much diversity in a carton of eggs. It is a potential person, not a person. However, not allowing a women to have rights to her own body is morally wrong. A women could lose her job, be disowned by family, and suffer many consequences for a problem that could have been fixed. A child shouldn't be had if it is thought of as a problem or mistake. A child is a gift
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 (June 18, 2014 at 7:12 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(June 18, 2014 at 7:02 pm)Arthur123 Wrote: Indeed, the zygote to the fetus, fetus to the child, child to adult. Are all just stages of their development. Since the fetus is informationally complete in its human informationit can be said it is a human being. Heh, I was asleep when this happened, but I'm at it now.  So, "information" isn't a very clear term, since information isn't a thing that exists objectively. Saying something is "informationally complete" is meaningless, because information is a construct built up inside human minds; it relates to our ability to decode reliably repetitive patterns and "read" stuff rather than something that exists outside of us as conscious entities. When you say information I figure you mean genetics, Arthur, as you've mentioned that multiple times before, and I'm fine with that... except for all the problems with it. As I've mentioned to you before, under the definition of humanity that focuses on genetics, a corpse is a human being. So, can I kill a corpse? You're going to say no, why wouldn't you, after all? Corpses aren't alive, right? Oh! So now there's some additional part of the definition of life that has nothing to do with genetics? What's that? Why wasn't that present in your initial definition? We should be talking about that! Genetics is a red herring, here; being a person has nothing to do with our genes, and many of the things that would be covered under your current definition of a person, I have no doubt, you wouldn't have a problem exposing to the abortion procedure. As strange as it might be to picture, if I tried to give an abortion to a toenail,you wouldn't object to that, yes? Why not? If genetics is the only factor involved here then the toenail is a human being! The issue is more complicated than you're making it, and I think we need to start discussing the actual issue now, Arthur.  (June 19, 2014 at 12:09 am)Jenny A Wrote:(June 18, 2014 at 10:29 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Because it comes down to "my body, my choice". As long as I have something invading my body, I'll do with it as I please. I can't see myself making a choice like that, but I don't presume to have a say in what anyone else does. How one defines murder is also crucial. Contrary to many "pro-lifers," I believe war, the death penalty, and certain forms of animal cruelty are tantamount to murder, yet killing in self-defense, assisted suicide, and abortion are not. RE: Abortion is morally wrong
June 19, 2014 at 1:19 am
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(June 19, 2014 at 12:59 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:How one defines murder is crucial. I don't think any form of animal cruelty is ever tantamount to murder. I don't think animal cruelty without scientific purpose or human survival purpose is right. I disagree about suicide and assisted suicide. People have the right to make decisions about the continuation of their own lives. There are medical reasons to intervene. People who want to end it today, but we have reason to believe would not want to end it tomorrow, should be delayed. But ultimately, the decision to be or not to be could not be more personal.(June 19, 2014 at 12:09 am)Jenny A Wrote: Murder is a personal choice. I do presume to say I have a moral say in whether anyone else murders. Self defense, I think is obvious. The life on an innocent versus the life of an aggressor. The aggressor loses. Abortion of a sentient fetus is murder less the pregnant mother's life is endangered by the fetus. Abortion of an non-sentient fetus is not.
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