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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 10:42 am
(June 27, 2014 at 10:40 am)orangebox21 Wrote: (June 23, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Yes but why believe the Bible instead of the Koran? Or the Book of Morman? A good question.
From a spiritual perspective, God has elected me, regenerated me, and given me belief. This is nothing I did on my own, nor nothing I deserve, but rather it is the work of God that no man may boast.
From a logical perspective, the Bible, the Koran, and the book of Morman all claim the Biblical God to be true. The Koran and the book of Morman then go on to deny the truth of the Biblical God. The Bible remains logically consistent with it's position, the Koran and the book of Morman do not.
So why not be a Jew?
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 11:58 am
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(June 27, 2014 at 10:40 am)orangebox21 Wrote: (June 23, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Yes but why believe the Bible instead of the Koran? Or the Book of Morman? A good question.
From a spiritual perspective, God has elected me, regenerated me, and given me belief. This is nothing I did on my own, nor nothing I deserve, but rather it is the work of God that no man may boast.
I think that what you have there is self delusion. Those who believe in Allah, are similarly self deluded. The point is that those who think they have found internal confirmation of god, are only seeing what they want or expect to see. That's why Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Christians, Hindus, etc. all look inside and come to such very different conclusions about god.
Quote:From a logical perspective, the Bible, the Koran, and the book of Morman all claim the Biblical God to be true. The Koran and the book of Morman then go on to deny the truth of the Biblical God. The Bible remains logically consistent with it's position, the Koran and the book of Morman do not.
This boils down to:
A says B is right.
C says B is right.
A and C are sometimes wrong.
Therefore B is right.
That's nonsense.
It's also based on a couple of false premises. First neither the Koran nor the Book of Mormon say that the Bible in inerrant, only that within certain limits it contains truth. Mormons say the Bible is right insofar as it correctly translated and preserved over time. The Koran is less kind.
Second, The Bible is full of logical contradictions. And the Old Testament is largely negated by the New, or at least so many Christians who don't want to stone rape victims tell me.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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(June 27, 2014 at 10:40 am)orangebox21 Wrote: From a logical perspective, the Bible, the Koran, and the book of Morman all claim the Biblical God to be true. The Koran and the book of Morman then go on to deny the truth of the Biblical God. The Bible remains logically consistent with it's position, the Koran and the book of Morman do not.
From a logical perspective, they're all words of men.
By the way, Muslims argue that it's their book that's logically consistent. They also boast that no one can write a book as beautiful as the Qur'an, so it must be from Allah.
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Dr. Seuss was a better writer than either of those two gods. Those are some boring books, and far from beautiful.
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 1:30 pm
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 1:38 pm
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 1:57 pm
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 27, 2014 at 2:04 pm
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(June 27, 2014 at 12:20 pm)Elskidor Wrote: Dr. Seuss was a better writer than either of those two gods. Those are some boring books, and far from beautiful. Oh, you're being unkind - a wonderful team of scribblers was assembled to put all of those fancy doodles down on paper.
@The question about whether or not christians live in a theocracy-
Fundamentally, yes. All are living under the unimpeachable rule of a divine sovereign, his agents, and his edicts. As to whether or not they are living in a theocracy with regards to reality - sometimes. A number of middle eastern countries with such governments have christian populations. Ultimately this is irrelevant, as even those theocracies are illegitimate from the point of view of total divine sovereignty. Whether or not those people conform to the edicts of their own supposed divine king would be another matter - I'd call it 50/50 myself.
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 30, 2014 at 11:47 pm
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: About other gods-question for theists
June 30, 2014 at 11:55 pm
(June 20, 2014 at 7:32 am)vodkafan Wrote: As a theist you believe in a god. But what about all the other gods? How can you say yours is the only true god when the fellow next to you has his own holy book or ways of worship?
How do you know there is not more than one, are maybe you are worshipping different faces of the same supernatural being who is having a laugh?
If your god is the true one, why does he allow other gods to be worshipped?
I'm an atheist but I must say being a theist doesn't equal being religious. This is something I will not get tired of correcting because both are not synonymous
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